I personally wonder why people keep trying to define God On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:08 PM, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]>wrote:
> It is my understanding that God exists before anything existed and > therefore cannot be merely energy, the universe or the cosmos. These > are all things that could be explained by their physical properties, > however exhaustive! God has all of these properties and more as He is > also ethreal. Dark is right, my question keeps coming back to why people keep wanting to separate God from the Universe. it simply can not be done because God simple created the entire universe from himself. Therefore it is truly logical that he is greater than the totality of what he created. Over the centuries people have only pretended to know him. All the theisms really don't matter. A person is judged by themselves from how they have responded to this world, not the theism they follow. In the end of they will find the world of their own creation.. For me to know that God exist is really enough. Why he chooses to love me is beyond me because I really am not that lovable. To understand him is far beyond my ability. Past experience or interaction with my creator has lead to some measure of understand of what happened to others and their experiences. All paths that help a person to keep from separating themselves from their creator are good, that is the simple objective return to being that created them. Allan > I am afraid that Pat may fall short in explaining God > but I look forward to reading his attempt. God is, IMHO, unexplainable > my the mere devises of humans, even with all of their wonderful new > technologies and theories. The added dimensions to Pat's theory may > help us understand God better and more thoroughly explain the > afforementioned but God's folly is greater than all of human wisdom > combined. > > On May 25, 5:33 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > It make sense to me, because I believe that everyone of us believes > > and sees things in a different way, and therefore, if you do not see > > God or religious beliefs like me it is ok. > > Now, if I say that God might not be an old wise man as most of us have > > been thought to believe; but he/it could be something else, what would > > you say to that? > > In second place to my statement, if God is not the old wise man, then, > > what is God? > > Could God be the energy or the cosmos of the universe? > > My regards > > Manfraco > > > > On May 23, 9:27 am, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Manfranco, I don't mind at all, besides I think you were here first. :) > > > There seemed to be some similarity between FSM and Cthulhu (the > octopus). > > > > > Before answering your questions directly I would like to give you an > > > idea what I think of 'beliefs', as there could be many kinds or we > could > > > have two very different ideas of what they are. I have personal > > > experiences that inform beliefs that I don't have words for, and the > > > ones that do I usually seek to make an accord with reality in a more > > > universal sense. So I allow a long leash for my 'romantic' side, and > the > > > analytical looks more like a meta-battlefield. > > > > > Belief in absolutes is incomprehensible to me, I can no longer > associate > > > any sane expression to that. I am trying to make peace with the world > of > > > potentials I've found myself in, and my association with it. This is > all > > > difficult to describe, as I've been losing the distinction between > > > belief and disbelief. Many of the symbols and ideas in the world have > > > been stepping stones for me. I am speechless when confronted with this > > > question, not being evasive, there are no convenient answers at my > > > disposal but I can assure you somehow I manage to believe in many > things > > > both great and small. > > > > > I could conceive of a cosmos wherein the FSM and any arbitrary > > > combination of other beliefs also reside. I consider it all 'narratives > > > of truth' at this time. If it makes sense to you, that makes one of us. > :) > > > > > On 5/20/2010 6:26 PM, Manfraco Frank Elder wrote: > > > > > > Hi Ash! Your link is very colourful and fun, but it seems to me a > > > > direct attack to God and all religious beliefs; are you sure you are > > > > on the right tracks? Anyhow, I hope you don't mind my coming in these > > > > discussions, as I would like to ask you a question about beliefs; Do > > > > you believe in any god? And if you don't why? As I am under the > > > > impression that you don't believe in anything; Am I right? > > > > Greetings > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > On May 19, 10:12 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> 'Obey your noodley master' - > http://www.venganza.org/materials/#flyers > > > > > >> That was Lovecraft right? > > > > > >> On 5/18/2010 7:37 PM, Chris Jenkins wrote: > > > > > >>> /Ia Ia/! Yog Sothoth > > > > > >>> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Ash<[email protected] > > > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > >>> Please forgive our ignorance Gabby.>:) > > > > > >>> FF may be referring to the belligerent Demiurge (Yaldabaoth?) > > > >>> presiding over this universe, and it's acolytes. Purely > speculative. > > > > > >>> On 5/18/2010 1:18 PM, gabbydott wrote: > > > > > >>> Pat is mistaking himself for God, but he's not the only > one here, > > > >>> which makes them bearable. > > > > > >>> On 18 Mai, 16:16, DarkwaterBlight< > [email protected] > > > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > >>> I must be missing something here FF... Who's the > > > >>> determinist conmen > > > >>> that "we" are mistaking? I also have no feeling that > God's > > > >>> understanding is anything less than infinite. The > illusion > > > >>> that the so > > > >>> called "haves" have created, has been a veil of > > > >>> perception. I think I > > > >>> can agree on that point provided I am understanding > you > > > >>> correctly. > > > >>> Would you care to continue in your discourse and > elaborate? > > > > > >>> On May 16, 10:18 pm, Fiercely Free<[email protected] > > > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > >>> Pat, > > > >>> God's understanding is infinite. There's no > doubt > > > >>> about that. > > > >>> When we mistake some determinist conmen for > omnipotent > > > >>> entity, we get > > > >>> the feeling that God's understanding is not > infinite. > > > >>> This ignorance > > > >>> gives rise to illusion which, in turn, prompts us > to > > > >>> assume that > > > >>> opinion of "haves" represents the entire cosmic > > > >>> awareness... > > > > > >>> On May 7, 8:09 pm, Pat< > [email protected] > > > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > > > > >>> On 7 May, 15:53, RP<[email protected] > > > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > >>> God is the mind which concieves the > universe , > > > >>> He is the mind which > > > >>> runs it, and He is the mind which destroys > it. > > > >>> He does not see in the > > > >>> manner in which we see each other and He > does > > > >>> not act in the manner in > > > >>> which we act. His awareness and action is > > > >>> transcendental in nature. In > > > >>> our vanity we may pretend to comprehend > Him, > > > >>> but we do not see or > > > >>> accept the fact that our intelligence is > not > > > >>> infinite but only a few > > > >>> grades above that of animals. We have to > just > > > >>> look at animals to > > > >>> realise that , after all our understanding > > > >>> also is finite. We are > > > >>> learning and growing day by day , but we > are > > > >>> far from being Supreme. > > > > > >>> Well, He does see as we do, but He also sees > in a > > > >>> way we do not. When > > > >>> you look at something, in reality, it is Him > that > > > >>> is seeing (and > > > >>> hearing and every other sensation any of us > > > >>> sense). And His ability > > > >>> to multiprocess all our awarenesses (and the > > > >>> awareness of all living > > > >>> things!) is a part of what defines His > > > >>> transcendant abilities. But > > > >>> there are more (unseen) places than just this > 4-D > > > >>> universe and His > > > >>> wareness includes all that, as well. You're > also > > > >>> right about our > > > >>> level of consciousness being not that much > above > > > >>> other animals. It is > > > >>> our conceit that leads us to believe we are > far > > > >>> greater than they > > > >>> are. But we're not. God can think like a > tree > > > >>> (and, in fact thinks > > > >>> like each tree, as each tree's awareness is, > in > > > >>> fact, His), yet no > > > >>> animal can. I'm not sure that God's > understanding > > > >>> is infinite, but it > > > >>> is comprehensive, that is, it covers > everything, > > > >>> though there may be a > > > >>> limit, that limit is far beyond our > > > >>> comprehension.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > -- ( ) I_D Allan Be Paranoid. God is always building a better idiot!!!
