I would say that the moment of conception of "something else" sort of
defines the landscape of theological evolution. However that hinges on
the belief that spiritual awakening is a very personal process that is
to a lesser extent shared through rituals and other communication. You
could say I believe in that intimate exploration.
I guess my view on God would look like multiple intelligences and hold a
critical view of the extroverted and simplified political feedback
version used for propagandist purposes (quantitative ends). To me it is
much more interesting to understand what and why people believe than the
fact of it. Anyways- I sort of navigate many views depending on the need
or desire, with a personal tendency toward constructive analysis (it
comes out in person/phone discussions). Sometimes I view theology,
cosmology and metaphysics much like an engineering challenge neutrally,
sometimes as a profound experience full of meaning and at others I mourn
the stone cold lack of meaning. There are many arts and sciences I use
in exploring those archetypal 'pathways', I don't trust a single one
enough to become branded with and much prefer an eclectic mix. This is a
very simplified answer and any one of these topics could turn into
voluminous discussions.
"In second place to my statement, if God is not the old wise man, then,
what is God?
Could God be the energy or the cosmos of the universe?"
I don't see why not, actually one of my favorite ideas is that the
domain of experience and material existence are the same thing from
different viewpoints and switch between or try to work out the
science/metaphysics. I began with asking 'why', learned a bit of 'how',
and found a great question in 'what if'. That's the nutshell version (no
finale)... :)
On 5/25/2010 5:33 PM, Manfraco Frank Elder wrote:
It make sense to me, because I believe that everyone of us believes
and sees things in a different way, and therefore, if you do not see
God or religious beliefs like me it is ok.
Now, if I say that God might not be an old wise man as most of us have
been thought to believe; but he/it could be something else, what would
you say to that?
In second place to my statement, if God is not the old wise man, then,
what is God?
Could God be the energy or the cosmos of the universe?
My regards
Manfraco
On May 23, 9:27 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote:
Manfranco, I don't mind at all, besides I think you were here first. :)
There seemed to be some similarity between FSM and Cthulhu (the octopus).
Before answering your questions directly I would like to give you an
idea what I think of 'beliefs', as there could be many kinds or we could
have two very different ideas of what they are. I have personal
experiences that inform beliefs that I don't have words for, and the
ones that do I usually seek to make an accord with reality in a more
universal sense. So I allow a long leash for my 'romantic' side, and the
analytical looks more like a meta-battlefield.
Belief in absolutes is incomprehensible to me, I can no longer associate
any sane expression to that. I am trying to make peace with the world of
potentials I've found myself in, and my association with it. This is all
difficult to describe, as I've been losing the distinction between
belief and disbelief. Many of the symbols and ideas in the world have
been stepping stones for me. I am speechless when confronted with this
question, not being evasive, there are no convenient answers at my
disposal but I can assure you somehow I manage to believe in many things
both great and small.
I could conceive of a cosmos wherein the FSM and any arbitrary
combination of other beliefs also reside. I consider it all 'narratives
of truth' at this time. If it makes sense to you, that makes one of us. :)
On 5/20/2010 6:26 PM, Manfraco Frank Elder wrote:
Hi Ash! Your link is very colourful and fun, but it seems to me a
direct attack to God and all religious beliefs; are you sure you are
on the right tracks? Anyhow, I hope you don't mind my coming in these
discussions, as I would like to ask you a question about beliefs; Do
you believe in any god? And if you don't why? As I am under the
impression that you don't believe in anything; Am I right?
Greetings
Manfraco
On May 19, 10:12 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote:
'Obey your noodley master' -http://www.venganza.org/materials/#flyers
That was Lovecraft right?
On 5/18/2010 7:37 PM, Chris Jenkins wrote:
/Ia Ia/! Yog Sothoth
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Ash<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Please forgive our ignorance Gabby.>:)
FF may be referring to the belligerent Demiurge (Yaldabaoth?)
presiding over this universe, and it's acolytes. Purely speculative.
On 5/18/2010 1:18 PM, gabbydott wrote:
Pat is mistaking himself for God, but he's not the only one here,
which makes them bearable.
On 18 Mai, 16:16, DarkwaterBlight<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I must be missing something here FF... Who's the
determinist conmen
that "we" are mistaking? I also have no feeling that God's
understanding is anything less than infinite. The illusion
that the so
called "haves" have created, has been a veil of
perception. I think I
can agree on that point provided I am understanding you
correctly.
Would you care to continue in your discourse and elaborate?
On May 16, 10:18 pm, Fiercely Free<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Pat,
God's understanding is infinite. There's no doubt
about that.
When we mistake some determinist conmen for omnipotent
entity, we get
the feeling that God's understanding is not infinite.
This ignorance
gives rise to illusion which, in turn, prompts us to
assume that
opinion of "haves" represents the entire cosmic
awareness...
On May 7, 8:09 pm, Pat<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 7 May, 15:53, RP<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
God is the mind which concieves the universe ,
He is the mind which
runs it, and He is the mind which destroys it.
He does not see in the
manner in which we see each other and He does
not act in the manner in
which we act. His awareness and action is
transcendental in nature. In
our vanity we may pretend to comprehend Him,
but we do not see or
accept the fact that our intelligence is not
infinite but only a few
grades above that of animals. We have to just
look at animals to
realise that , after all our understanding
also is finite. We are
learning and growing day by day , but we are
far from being Supreme.
Well, He does see as we do, but He also sees in a
way we do not. When
you look at something, in reality, it is Him that
is seeing (and
hearing and every other sensation any of us
sense). And His ability
to multiprocess all our awarenesses (and the
awareness of all living
things!) is a part of what defines His
transcendant abilities. But
there are more (unseen) places than just this 4-D
universe and His
wareness includes all that, as well. You're also
right about our
level of consciousness being not that much above
other animals. It is
our conceit that leads us to believe we are far
greater than they
are. But we're not. God can think like a tree
(and, in fact thinks
like each tree, as each tree's awareness is, in
fact, His), yet no
animal can. I'm not sure that God's understanding
is infinite, but it
is comprehensive, that is, it covers everything,
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