"I personally wonder why people keep trying to define God" - because the communion is sublime!
On May 27, 4:04 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > I personally wonder why people keep trying to define God > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:08 PM, DarkwaterBlight > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > It is my understanding that God exists before anything existed and > > therefore cannot be merely energy, the universe or the cosmos. These > > are all things that could be explained by their physical properties, > > however exhaustive! God has all of these properties and more as He is > > also ethreal. > > Dark is right, my question keeps coming back to why people keep wanting to > separate God from the Universe. it simply can not be done because God simple > created the entire universe from himself. Therefore it is truly logical that > he is greater than the totality of what he created. > > Over the centuries people have only pretended to know him. All the theisms > really don't matter. A person is judged by themselves from how they have > responded to this world, not the theism they follow. In the end of they will > find the world of their own creation.. > > For me to know that God exist is really enough. Why he chooses to love me is > beyond me because I really am not that lovable. To understand him is far > beyond my ability. Past experience or interaction with my creator has lead > to some measure of understand of what happened to others and their > experiences. > > All paths that help a person to keep from separating themselves from their > creator are good, that is the simple objective return to being that created > them. > Allan > > > > > I am afraid that Pat may fall short in explaining God > > but I look forward to reading his attempt. God is, IMHO, unexplainable > > my the mere devises of humans, even with all of their wonderful new > > technologies and theories. The added dimensions to Pat's theory may > > help us understand God better and more thoroughly explain the > > afforementioned but God's folly is greater than all of human wisdom > > combined. > > > On May 25, 5:33 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It make sense to me, because I believe that everyone of us believes > > > and sees things in a different way, and therefore, if you do not see > > > God or religious beliefs like me it is ok. > > > Now, if I say that God might not be an old wise man as most of us have > > > been thought to believe; but he/it could be something else, what would > > > you say to that? > > > In second place to my statement, if God is not the old wise man, then, > > > what is God? > > > Could God be the energy or the cosmos of the universe? > > > My regards > > > Manfraco > > > > On May 23, 9:27 am, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Manfranco, I don't mind at all, besides I think you were here first. :) > > > > There seemed to be some similarity between FSM and Cthulhu (the > > octopus). > > > > > Before answering your questions directly I would like to give you an > > > > idea what I think of 'beliefs', as there could be many kinds or we > > could > > > > have two very different ideas of what they are. I have personal > > > > experiences that inform beliefs that I don't have words for, and the > > > > ones that do I usually seek to make an accord with reality in a more > > > > universal sense. So I allow a long leash for my 'romantic' side, and > > the > > > > analytical looks more like a meta-battlefield. > > > > > Belief in absolutes is incomprehensible to me, I can no longer > > associate > > > > any sane expression to that. I am trying to make peace with the world > > of > > > > potentials I've found myself in, and my association with it. This is > > all > > > > difficult to describe, as I've been losing the distinction between > > > > belief and disbelief. Many of the symbols and ideas in the world have > > > > been stepping stones for me. I am speechless when confronted with this > > > > question, not being evasive, there are no convenient answers at my > > > > disposal but I can assure you somehow I manage to believe in many > > things > > > > both great and small. > > > > > I could conceive of a cosmos wherein the FSM and any arbitrary > > > > combination of other beliefs also reside. I consider it all 'narratives > > > > of truth' at this time. If it makes sense to you, that makes one of us. > > :) > > > > > On 5/20/2010 6:26 PM, Manfraco Frank Elder wrote: > > > > > > Hi Ash! Your link is very colourful and fun, but it seems to me a > > > > > direct attack to God and all religious beliefs; are you sure you are > > > > > on the right tracks? Anyhow, I hope you don't mind my coming in these > > > > > discussions, as I would like to ask you a question about beliefs; Do > > > > > you believe in any god? And if you don't why? As I am under the > > > > > impression that you don't believe in anything; Am I right? > > > > > Greetings > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > On May 19, 10:12 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> 'Obey your noodley master' - > >http://www.venganza.org/materials/#flyers > > > > > >> That was Lovecraft right? > > > > > >> On 5/18/2010 7:37 PM, Chris Jenkins wrote: > > > > > >>> /Ia Ia/! Yog Sothoth > > > > > >>> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Ash<[email protected] > > > > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > >>> Please forgive our ignorance Gabby.>:) > > > > > >>> FF may be referring to the belligerent Demiurge (Yaldabaoth?) > > > > >>> presiding over this universe, and it's acolytes. Purely > > speculative. > > > > > >>> On 5/18/2010 1:18 PM, gabbydott wrote: > > > > > >>> Pat is mistaking himself for God, but he's not the only > > one here, > > > > >>> which makes them bearable. > > > > > >>> On 18 Mai, 16:16, DarkwaterBlight< > > [email protected] > > > > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > >>> I must be missing something here FF... Who's the > > > > >>> determinist conmen > > > > >>> that "we" are mistaking? I also have no feeling that > > God's > > > > >>> understanding is anything less than infinite. The > > illusion > > > > >>> that the so > > > > >>> called "haves" have created, has been a veil of > > > > >>> perception. I think I > > > > >>> can agree on that point provided I am understanding > > you > > > > >>> correctly. > > > > >>> Would you care to continue in your discourse and > > elaborate? > > > > > >>> On May 16, 10:18 pm, Fiercely Free<[email protected] > > > > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > >>> Pat, > > > > >>> God's understanding is infinite. There's no > > doubt > > > > >>> about that. > > > > >>> When we mistake some determinist conmen for > > omnipotent > > > > >>> entity, we get > > > > >>> the feeling that God's understanding is not > > infinite. > > > > >>> This ignorance > > > > >>> gives rise to illusion which, in turn, prompts us > > to > > > > >>> assume that > > > > >>> opinion of "haves" represents the entire cosmic > > > > >>> awareness... > > > > > >>> On May 7, 8:09 pm, Pat< > > [email protected] > > > > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> > > wrote: > > > > > >>> On 7 May, 15:53, RP<[email protected] > > > > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > >>> God is the mind which concieves the > > universe , > > > > >>> He is the mind which > > > > >>> runs it, and He is the mind which destroys > > it. > > > > >>> He does not see in the > > > > >>> manner in which we see each other and He > > does > > > > >>> not act in the manner in > > > > >>> which we act. His awareness and action is > > > > >>> transcendental in nature. In > > > > >>> our vanity we may pretend to comprehend > > Him, > > > > >>> but we do not see or > > > > >>> accept the fact that our intelligence is > > not > > > > >>> infinite but only a few > > > > >>> grades above that of animals. We have to > > just > > > > >>> look at animals to > > > > >>> realise that , after all our understanding > > > > >>> also is finite. We are > > > > >>> learning and growing day by day , but we > > are > > > > >>> far from being Supreme. > > > > > >>> Well, He does see as we do, but He also sees > > in a > > > > >>> way we do not. When > > > > >>> you look at something, in reality, it is Him > > that > > > > >>> is seeing (and > > > > >>> hearing and every other sensation any of us > > > > >>> sense). And His ability > > > > >>> to multiprocess all our awarenesses (and the > > > > >>> awareness of all living > > > > >>> things!) is a part of what defines His > > > > >>> transcendant abilities. But > > > > >>> there are more (unseen) places than just this > > 4-D > > > > >>> universe and His > > > > >>> wareness includes all that, as well. You're > > also > > > > >>> right about our > > > > >>> level of consciousness being not that much > > above > > > > >>> other animals. It is > > > > >>> our conceit that leads us to believe we are > > far > > > > >>> greater than they > > > > >>> are. But we're not. God can think like a > > tree > > > > >>> (and, in fact thinks > > > > >>> like each tree, as > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
