Hm? Ain't the higher self the self that knows better?
On 23 Mai, 23:49, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think so. to be sure, judging, condemning or belittling > someone is not as heinous a crime as murder, but by doing so, I think > we murder our own higher selves because of our self righteous belief > that we are better or know better or can do better than someone else. > A crime of the heart is still a crime, and all crimes against others > are crimes against ourselves. > > On May 23, 4:24 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I'm sure DB didn't mean to do as one will regardless of the > > infringement upon others. > > > That is a gross interpretive aberration of a comment composed of > > complete generalization and assumption. > > > I live my life as I wish and enjoy it fully because I have the "right" > > to. This is not to ass-ume that people who commit heinous crimes > > against humanity are justified because they are living the life they > > wish to live, I would think it understood that people do not have the > > "right" to inflict pain and suffering upon others. > > > To make a point based upon minuscule and pendantic notion is far out > > on the limb. > > > On May 23, 2:16 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > "I live my life as I wish to live it and I believe that everyone > > > should have that right." > > > > An interesting notion, DWB, and I wonder if you mean this literally - > > > as if anyone who thought stealing, cheating, lying, murdering, > > > violence, cruelty etc., was right and wished to live their lives doing > > > as they pleased no matter the cost to those around them should do just > > > that. It seems to me that belief in not only our own, but the rights > > > of others is indeed important, but also needs to include the > > > understanding of how our behavior effects others and the relationship > > > of what we believe and do with the our world. Doing and saying as you > > > please without awareness or regard of your response - ability to your > > > total experience - including others, the earth, society, god....well, > > > do we really have that right? I think we sell ourselves short like > > > this most of all. > > > > On May 23, 10:25 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "Your in dreamland DB, I don't need any god to do any work on me. > > > > Why > > > > do I have to have a god to something to me?" > > > > > Well I think the time will come when you will be able to answer that > > > > question yourself my friend, perhaps for some bannanas? I don't know > > > > and would not venture to guess.As I said, I don't wish to try to > > > > convince you of anything and do not bear the banner for any crusade. > > > > Surely we are all in our own little dreamland. > > > > > "Did you ever consider that your "God" might just want people to > > > > enjoy > > > > life, to eat drink and be merry, to just live and "Stop" trying to > > > > kiss god's ass?" > > > > > Well yes and I'm glad that you make this point! By any religious > > > > convention I think I would be considerd a heretic though I fail to > > > > allow any bible beaters and the like to point that out. I live my life > > > > as I wish to live it and I believe that everyone should have that > > > > right. Along with drinking (gratuitous amounts I should add) and > > > > eating it makes me "merry" to search for answers and find truth, > > > > however subjective it may be, to explain this existance of ours and > > > > perhaps point to some objective or absolute reason for it. I cannot > > > > fathom kissing gods ass though, unless it was for bannanas. > > > > > On May 21, 5:36 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Your in dreamland DB, I don't need any god to do any work on me. Why > > > > > do I have to have a god to something to me? > > > > > > Did you ever consider that your "God" might just want people to enjoy > > > > > life, to eat drink and be merry, to just live and "Stop" trying to > > > > > kiss god's ass? > > > > > > I find it all so pathetic. > > > > > > On May 21, 11:57 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I agree that there are many unanswered questions/unexplained > > > > > > phenomena > > > > > > and the like which can easily be fit into a nice little man made > > > > > > "God > > > > > > box". It does seem all too convienient while looking at the world > > > > > > through eyes such as yours. I also look for "proof" and I often find > > > > > > it in the human experience. Truly I do not count this as empirical > > > > > > though the numbers are convincing.HA! One might conclude this is > > > > > > mass > > > > > > dilusions of grandure on a global scale but the diversity of the > > > > > > numbers is what is convincing to me. You see, many of these > > > > > > "believers" are the same scientists that have you hooked on your > > > > > > lack > > > > > > of beleif! What they are not telling you is the very same thing that > > > > > > they "know" to be fact! And in the very same way your are bound in > > > > > > your unbelief they are promoting false "Gods" and have the believing > > > > > > masses blinded by "light" and worshiping "myths"! It comes down to > > > > > > hegamony! Yes the lust for continued power and control and greed for > > > > > > material riches. In anothr thread our friend, ash, spoke of "the > > > > > > Beligerent Dimurge" and that is who is being worshiped. It is not > > > > > > the > > > > > > true "God" as I understand God. Far be it from me to try to convince > > > > > > you of anything as it is beyond my capacity but I am certain that > > > > > > God > > > > > > shall do his own work with you. > > > > > > > On May 21, 11:22 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I had no doubt that we would differ, Pat. What you say still > > > > > > > evokes > > > > > > > the question of a consciousness with intent. To say what IS just > > > > > > > IS > > > > > > > can be viewed as a truth, like the big boulder outside my window. > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > have created the box by imposing a set of inferences. When > > > > > > > looking at > > > > > > > the whole there doesn't have to be a box, which essentially is a > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > construct stemming from the need to address the unknown. > > > > > > > We deal with physical science, the proof of things, a sort of > > > > > > > macro- > > > > > > > religion which defines everything in terms of what we see and > > > > > > > experience with our physical senses while the natural world leaves > > > > > > > open ended areas which we have no answers for. This is the point > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > which the constructs begin to take form because there is no proof > > > > > > > otherwise, eg; the Gallileo experience. Without scientific proof > > > > > > > anyone can say anything, purport truth from dust and create > > > > > > > "Myth". > > > > > > > Storms, lightning and thunder are no longer angry gods and > > > > > > > sacrificial > > > > > > > human lambs are no longer necessary but for some reason we have > > > > > > > yet to > > > > > > > let go of the main theme of religious belief. > > > > > > > Religion's foundation is completely based on explanation of the > > > > > > > unknown and the unseen, the perceptions of good and evil and the > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > to explore afterlife. These perceptions/constructs lead to a > > > > > > > oneness, > > > > > > > a central being, a deity and in some cultures a multiplicity, a > > > > > > > composite of deities assigned to elements of the universe such as > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > ocean and the sun. Tack on the egocentric nature of humanity and > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > you get is man's idea that he is an appendage of the oneness, an > > > > > > > extension of the almighty. Now we have gods with an uncanny > > > > > > > resemblance to humans; why am I not surprised. Religions are > > > > > > > worshiping "Humanity". Jesus = the only begotten son of god. > > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > > We are the children of god. Really? Say's who? This tendency is > > > > > > > unrealistic for me and no one has ever throughout history shown in > > > > > > > anyway a proof concerning religious dogma. It all remains to > > > > > > > this day > > > > > > > simple "Myths" from which to launch holy wars, commit unspeakable > > > > > > > atrocities, build huge organizations that collect tithing and > > > > > > > instill > > > > > > > guilt and fear for living a natural and normal life. > > > > > > > > On May 21, 6:51 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 16 May, 15:26, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The ball of elaboration is in your court, this is your > > > > > > > > > thread. You > > > > > > > > > are making broad statements without saying much. > > > > > > > > > > You see agnostics as having a "problem" because you have > > > > > > > > > anchored > > > > > > > > > yourself within your personal set of beliefs that you consider > > > > > > > > > truths. > > > > > > > > > > While issues can be linked to each other they can also be > > > > > > > > > explored > > > > > > > > > individually. > > > > > > > > > > I don't see the thread going anywhere other than reaching > > > > > > > > > levels of > > > > > > > > > redundancy without resolution. > > > > > > > > > > I'm with Albert Einstein below. > > > > > > > > > > Borrowed FROM: > > > > > > > > > Molly Brogan Thread May 26, 2008 > > > > > > > > > > According to Plato: When the mind's eye rests on objects > > > > > > > > > illuminated > > > > > > > > > by truth and reality, it understands and comprehends them, and > > > > > > > > > functions intelligently; but when it turns to the twilight > > > > > > > > > world of > > > > > > > > > change and decay, it can only form opinions, its vision is > > > > > > > > > confused > > > > > > > > > and its beliefs shifting, and it seems to lack intelligence. > > > > > > > > > (Plato, > > > > > > > > > Republic) > > > > > > > > > > To Spinoza, ultimate truth is the ultimate reality of a > > > > > > > > > rationally > > > > > > > > > ordered system that is God. > > > > > > > > > > To Hegel, truth is a rationally integrated > > > > > > > > > system in which everything is contained. > > > > > > > > > > To Einstein, “the truth of > > > > > > > > > the Universe is human truth.” > > > > > > > > > While I usually support Einstein, here we differ a tad. > > > > > > > > Einstein went > > > > > > > > in search of truth and discovered 'relativity'. 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