Is enjoying my life and doing what I enjoy doing a crime of self righteousness?
I don't owe anyone anything but I certainly and without recrimination support my being and from there I can, if I choose to do so, reach out to share an enjoyable experience or bring joy to someone else. You have created this premise of adversity towards others when in fact we are simply talking about enjoying life for one's own personal enjoyment. Obviously if we are to step on someone else it would be detrimental to our own persona and beyond our individual right. But the DB statement was not that he would live life the way he wanted to by stepping on others. I have no obligation to this world except for the obligations to it that I willingly set before myself. The DB statement was "I live my life the way I wish to live it................" which does not imply, intimate or infer that doing so includes the violation of others. On May 23, 4:49 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think so. to be sure, judging, condemning or belittling > someone is not as heinous a crime as murder, but by doing so, I think > we murder our own higher selves because of our self righteous belief > that we are better or know better or can do better than someone else. > A crime of the heart is still a crime, and all crimes against others > are crimes against ourselves. > > On May 23, 4:24 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I'm sure DB didn't mean to do as one will regardless of the > > infringement upon others. > > > That is a gross interpretive aberration of a comment composed of > > complete generalization and assumption. > > > I live my life as I wish and enjoy it fully because I have the "right" > > to. This is not to ass-ume that people who commit heinous crimes > > against humanity are justified because they are living the life they > > wish to live, I would think it understood that people do not have the > > "right" to inflict pain and suffering upon others. > > > To make a point based upon minuscule and pendantic notion is far out > > on the limb. > > > On May 23, 2:16 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > "I live my life as I wish to live it and I believe that everyone > > > should have that right." > > > > An interesting notion, DWB, and I wonder if you mean this literally - > > > as if anyone who thought stealing, cheating, lying, murdering, > > > violence, cruelty etc., was right and wished to live their lives doing > > > as they pleased no matter the cost to those around them should do just > > > that. It seems to me that belief in not only our own, but the rights > > > of others is indeed important, but also needs to include the > > > understanding of how our behavior effects others and the relationship > > > of what we believe and do with the our world. Doing and saying as you > > > please without awareness or regard of your response - ability to your > > > total experience - including others, the earth, society, god....well, > > > do we really have that right? I think we sell ourselves short like > > > this most of all. > > > > On May 23, 10:25 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "Your in dreamland DB, I don't need any god to do any work on me. > > > > Why > > > > do I have to have a god to something to me?" > > > > > Well I think the time will come when you will be able to answer that > > > > question yourself my friend, perhaps for some bannanas? I don't know > > > > and would not venture to guess.As I said, I don't wish to try to > > > > convince you of anything and do not bear the banner for any crusade. > > > > Surely we are all in our own little dreamland. > > > > > "Did you ever consider that your "God" might just want people to > > > > enjoy > > > > life, to eat drink and be merry, to just live and "Stop" trying to > > > > kiss god's ass?" > > > > > Well yes and I'm glad that you make this point! By any religious > > > > convention I think I would be considerd a heretic though I fail to > > > > allow any bible beaters and the like to point that out. I live my life > > > > as I wish to live it and I believe that everyone should have that > > > > right. Along with drinking (gratuitous amounts I should add) and > > > > eating it makes me "merry" to search for answers and find truth, > > > > however subjective it may be, to explain this existance of ours and > > > > perhaps point to some objective or absolute reason for it. I cannot > > > > fathom kissing gods ass though, unless it was for bannanas. > > > > > On May 21, 5:36 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Your in dreamland DB, I don't need any god to do any work on me. Why > > > > > do I have to have a god to something to me? > > > > > > Did you ever consider that your "God" might just want people to enjoy > > > > > life, to eat drink and be merry, to just live and "Stop" trying to > > > > > kiss god's ass? > > > > > > I find it all so pathetic. > > > > > > On May 21, 11:57 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I agree that there are many unanswered questions/unexplained > > > > > > phenomena > > > > > > and the like which can easily be fit into a nice little man made > > > > > > "God > > > > > > box". It does seem all too convienient while looking at the world > > > > > > through eyes such as yours. I also look for "proof" and I often find > > > > > > it in the human experience. Truly I do not count this as empirical > > > > > > though the numbers are convincing.HA! One might conclude this is > > > > > > mass > > > > > > dilusions of grandure on a global scale but the diversity of the > > > > > > numbers is what is convincing to me. You see, many of these > > > > > > "believers" are the same scientists that have you hooked on your > > > > > > lack > > > > > > of beleif! What they are not telling you is the very same thing that > > > > > > they "know" to be fact! And in the very same way your are bound in > > > > > > your unbelief they are promoting false "Gods" and have the believing > > > > > > masses blinded by "light" and worshiping "myths"! It comes down to > > > > > > hegamony! Yes the lust for continued power and control and greed for > > > > > > material riches. In anothr thread our friend, ash, spoke of "the > > > > > > Beligerent Dimurge" and that is who is being worshiped. It is not > > > > > > the > > > > > > true "God" as I understand God. Far be it from me to try to convince > > > > > > you of anything as it is beyond my capacity but I am certain that > > > > > > God > > > > > > shall do his own work with you. > > > > > > > On May 21, 11:22 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I had no doubt that we would differ, Pat. What you say still > > > > > > > evokes > > > > > > > the question of a consciousness with intent. To say what IS just > > > > > > > IS > > > > > > > can be viewed as a truth, like the big boulder outside my window. > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > have created the box by imposing a set of inferences. When > > > > > > > looking at > > > > > > > the whole there doesn't have to be a box, which essentially is a > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > construct stemming from the need to address the unknown. > > > > > > > We deal with physical science, the proof of things, a sort of > > > > > > > macro- > > > > > > > religion which defines everything in terms of what we see and > > > > > > > experience with our physical senses while the natural world leaves > > > > > > > open ended areas which we have no answers for. This is the point > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > which the constructs begin to take form because there is no proof > > > > > > > otherwise, eg; the Gallileo experience. Without scientific proof > > > > > > > anyone can say anything, purport truth from dust and create > > > > > > > "Myth". > > > > > > > Storms, lightning and thunder are no longer angry gods and > > > > > > > sacrificial > > > > > > > human lambs are no longer necessary but for some reason we have > > > > > > > yet to > > > > > > > let go of the main theme of religious belief. > > > > > > > Religion's foundation is completely based on explanation of the > > > > > > > unknown and the unseen, the perceptions of good and evil and the > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > to explore afterlife. These perceptions/constructs lead to a > > > > > > > oneness, > > > > > > > a central being, a deity and in some cultures a multiplicity, a > > > > > > > composite of deities assigned to elements of the universe such as > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > ocean and the sun. Tack on the egocentric nature of humanity and > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > you get is man's idea that he is an appendage of the oneness, an > > > > > > > extension of the almighty. Now we have gods with an uncanny > > > > > > > resemblance to humans; why am I not surprised. Religions are > > > > > > > worshiping "Humanity". Jesus = the only begotten son of god. > > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > > We are the children of god. Really? Say's who? This tendency is > > > > > > > unrealistic for me and no one has ever throughout history shown in > > > > > > > anyway a proof concerning religious dogma. It all remains to > > > > > > > this day > > > > > > > simple "Myths" from which to launch holy wars, commit unspeakable > > > > > > > atrocities, build huge organizations that collect tithing and > > > > > > > instill > > > > > > > guilt and fear for living a natural and normal life. > > > > > > > > On May 21, 6:51 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 16 May, 15:26, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The ball of elaboration is in your court, this is your > > > > > > > > > thread. You > > > > > > > > > are making broad statements without saying much. > > > > > > > > > > You see agnostics as having a "problem" because you have > > > > > > > > > anchored > > > > > > > > > yourself within your personal set of beliefs that you consider > > > > > > > > > truths. > > > > > > > > > > While issues can be linked to each other they can also be > > > > > > > > > explored > > > > > > > > > individually. > > > > > > > > > > I don't see the thread going anywhere other than reaching > > > > > > > > > levels of > > > > > > > > > redundancy without resolution. > > > > > > > > > > I'm with Albert Einstein below. > > > > > > > > > > Borrowed FROM: > > > > > > > > > Molly Brogan Thread May 26, 2008 > > > > > > > > > > According to Plato: When the mind's eye rests on objects > > > > > > > > > illuminated > > > > > > > > > by truth and reality, it understands and comprehends them, and > > > > > > > > > functions intelligently; but when it turns to the twilight > > > > > > > > > world of > > > > > > > > > change and decay, it can only form opinions, its vision is > > > > > > > > > confused > > > > > > > > > and its beliefs shifting, and it seems to lack intelligence. > > > > > > > > > (Plato, > > > > > > > > > Republic) > > > > > > > > > > To Spinoza, ultimate truth is the ultimate reality of a > > > > > > > > > rationally > > > > > > > > > ordered system that is God. > > > > > > > > > > To Hegel, truth is a rationally integrated > > > > > > > > > system in which everything is contained. > > > > > > > > > > To Einstein, “the truth of > > > > > > > > > the Universe is human truth.” > > > > > > > > > While I usually support Einstein, here we differ a tad. > > > > > > > > Einstein went > > > > > > > > in search of truth and discovered 'relativity'. 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