It took me quite while to understand that your you-yourself-and-God- thinking really only simply serves you to follow your constitutional order to strive for your pursuit of happiness. As if there was no past. And then there is no past visible that could remind you of the fallacies of unknowingly following beautiful theoretical constructs. As I said, it took me quite a while.
That's one reason why I prefer Google.groups with its uncheatable numeric time markers to Gravity with the possibility to add a self- defined visual markers to the ideas that I am presenting. If I had to choose, that is. It's better for my orientation. On 24 Mai, 01:11, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Fine, no problem as far as I can see. You are choosing to live your > life the way you wish and which holds no infringement upon others > barring the decision to proselytize which may or may not have > agreeable consequences. > > On May 23, 5:31 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Very good. So, if I choose to believe in God, or the god in me, or > > base my will on god's will,and express this to others and it does not > > violate others in any way, I will be living my life in the way I wish > > to live it....No? > > > On May 23, 6:18 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Is enjoying my life and doing what I enjoy doing a crime of self > > > righteousness? > > > > I don't owe anyone anything but I certainly and without recrimination > > > support my being and from there I can, if I choose to do so, reach out > > > to share an enjoyable experience or bring joy to someone else. > > > > You have created this premise of adversity towards others when in fact > > > we are simply talking about enjoying life for one's own personal > > > enjoyment. > > > > Obviously if we are to step on someone else it would be detrimental to > > > our own persona and beyond our individual right. But the DB statement > > > was not that he would live life the way he wanted to by stepping on > > > others. > > > > I have no obligation to this world except for the obligations to it > > > that I willingly set before myself. The DB statement was "I live my > > > life the way I wish to live it................" which does not imply, > > > intimate or infer that doing so includes the violation of others. > > > > On May 23, 4:49 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I don't think so. to be sure, judging, condemning or belittling > > > > someone is not as heinous a crime as murder, but by doing so, I think > > > > we murder our own higher selves because of our self righteous belief > > > > that we are better or know better or can do better than someone else. > > > > A crime of the heart is still a crime, and all crimes against others > > > > are crimes against ourselves. > > > > > On May 23, 4:24 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I'm sure DB didn't mean to do as one will regardless of the > > > > > infringement upon others. > > > > > > That is a gross interpretive aberration of a comment composed of > > > > > complete generalization and assumption. > > > > > > I live my life as I wish and enjoy it fully because I have the "right" > > > > > to. This is not to ass-ume that people who commit heinous crimes > > > > > against humanity are justified because they are living the life they > > > > > wish to live, I would think it understood that people do not have the > > > > > "right" to inflict pain and suffering upon others. > > > > > > To make a point based upon minuscule and pendantic notion is far out > > > > > on the limb. > > > > > > On May 23, 2:16 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > "I live my life as I wish to live it and I believe that everyone > > > > > > should have that right." > > > > > > > An interesting notion, DWB, and I wonder if you mean this literally > > > > > > - > > > > > > as if anyone who thought stealing, cheating, lying, murdering, > > > > > > violence, cruelty etc., was right and wished to live their lives > > > > > > doing > > > > > > as they pleased no matter the cost to those around them should do > > > > > > just > > > > > > that. It seems to me that belief in not only our own, but the > > > > > > rights > > > > > > of others is indeed important, but also needs to include the > > > > > > understanding of how our behavior effects others and the > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > of what we believe and do with the our world. Doing and saying as > > > > > > you > > > > > > please without awareness or regard of your response - ability to > > > > > > your > > > > > > total experience - including others, the earth, society, > > > > > > god....well, > > > > > > do we really have that right? I think we sell ourselves short like > > > > > > this most of all. > > > > > > > On May 23, 10:25 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > "Your in dreamland DB, I don't need any god to do any work on me. > > > > > > > Why > > > > > > > do I have to have a god to something to me?" > > > > > > > > Well I think the time will come when you will be able to answer > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > question yourself my friend, perhaps for some bannanas? I don't > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > and would not venture to guess.As I said, I don't wish to try to > > > > > > > convince you of anything and do not bear the banner for any > > > > > > > crusade. > > > > > > > Surely we are all in our own little dreamland. > > > > > > > > "Did you ever consider that your "God" might just want people to > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > life, to eat drink and be merry, to just live and "Stop" trying to > > > > > > > kiss god's ass?" > > > > > > > > Well yes and I'm glad that you make this point! By any religious > > > > > > > convention I think I would be considerd a heretic though I fail to > > > > > > > allow any bible beaters and the like to point that out. I live my > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > as I wish to live it and I believe that everyone should have that > > > > > > > right. Along with drinking (gratuitous amounts I should add) and > > > > > > > eating it makes me "merry" to search for answers and find truth, > > > > > > > however subjective it may be, to explain this existance of ours > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > perhaps point to some objective or absolute reason for it. I > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > fathom kissing gods ass though, unless it was for bannanas. > > > > > > > > On May 21, 5:36 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Your in dreamland DB, I don't need any god to do any work on > > > > > > > > me. Why > > > > > > > > do I have to have a god to something to me? > > > > > > > > > Did you ever consider that your "God" might just want people to > > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > life, to eat drink and be merry, to just live and "Stop" trying > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > kiss god's ass? > > > > > > > > > I find it all so pathetic. > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 11:57 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I agree that there are many unanswered questions/unexplained > > > > > > > > > phenomena > > > > > > > > > and the like which can easily be fit into a nice little man > > > > > > > > > made "God > > > > > > > > > box". It does seem all too convienient while looking at the > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > through eyes such as yours. I also look for "proof" and I > > > > > > > > > often find > > > > > > > > > it in the human experience. Truly I do not count this as > > > > > > > > > empirical > > > > > > > > > though the numbers are convincing.HA! One might conclude this > > > > > > > > > is mass > > > > > > > > > dilusions of grandure on a global scale but the diversity of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > numbers is what is convincing to me. You see, many of these > > > > > > > > > "believers" are the same scientists that have you hooked on > > > > > > > > > your lack > > > > > > > > > of beleif! What they are not telling you is the very same > > > > > > > > > thing that > > > > > > > > > they "know" to be fact! And in the very same way your are > > > > > > > > > bound in > > > > > > > > > your unbelief they are promoting false "Gods" and have the > > > > > > > > > believing > > > > > > > > > masses blinded by "light" and worshiping "myths"! It comes > > > > > > > > > down to > > > > > > > > > hegamony! Yes the lust for continued power and control and > > > > > > > > > greed for > > > > > > > > > material riches. In anothr thread our friend, ash, spoke of > > > > > > > > > "the > > > > > > > > > Beligerent Dimurge" and that is who is being worshiped. It is > > > > > > > > > not the > > > > > > > > > true "God" as I understand God. Far be it from me to try to > > > > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > you of anything as it is beyond my capacity but I am certain > > > > > > > > > that God > > > > > > > > > shall do his own work with you. > > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 11:22 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I had no doubt that we would differ, Pat. What you say > > > > > > > > > > still evokes > > > > > > > > > > the question of a consciousness with intent. To say what > > > > > > > > > > IS just IS > > > > > > > > > > can be viewed as a truth, like the big boulder outside my > > > > > > > > > > window. You > > > > > > > > > > have created the box by imposing a set of inferences. When > > > > > > > > > > looking at > > > > > > > > > > the whole there doesn't have to be a box, which essentially > > > > > > > > > > is a human > > > > > > > > > > construct stemming from the need to address the unknown. > > > > > > > > > > We deal with physical science, the proof of things, a sort > > > > > > > > > > of macro- > > > > > > > > > > religion which defines everything in terms of what we see > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > experience with our physical senses while the natural world > > > > > > > > > > leaves > > > > > > > > > > open ended areas which we have no answers for. This is the > > > > > > > > > > point at > > > > > > > > > > which the constructs begin to take form because there is no > > > > > > > > > > proof > > > > > > > > > > otherwise, eg; the Gallileo experience. Without > > > > > > > > > > scientific proof > > > > > > > > > > anyone can say anything, purport truth from dust and create > > > > > > > > > > "Myth". > > > > > > > > > > Storms, lightning and thunder are no longer angry gods and > > > > > > > > > > sacrificial > > > > > > > > > > human lambs are no longer necessary but for some reason we > > > > > > > > > > have yet to > > > > > > > > > > let go of the main theme of religious belief. > > > > > > > > > > Religion's foundation is completely based on explanation of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > unknown and the unseen, the perceptions of good and evil > > > > > > > > > > and the need > > > > > > > > > > to explore afterlife. These perceptions/constructs lead to > > > > > > > > > > a oneness, > > > > > > > > > > a central being, a deity and in some cultures a > > > > > > > > > > multiplicity, a > > > > > > > > > > composite of deities assigned to elements of the universe > > > > > > > > > > such as the > > > > > > > > > > ocean and the sun. Tack on the egocentric nature of > > > > > > > > > > humanity and what > > > > > > > > > > you get is man's idea that he is an appendage of the > > > > > > > > > > oneness, an > > > > > > > > > > extension of the almighty. Now we have gods with an uncanny > > > > > > > > > > resemblance to humans; why am I not surprised. Religions > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > worshiping "Humanity". Jesus = the only begotten son of > > > > > > > > > > god. Why? > > > > > > > > > > We are > > ... > > Erfahren Sie mehr »
