yes indeed, complicated.
On May 24, 11:52 am, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > " Living life according to our own dictates is always complicated, > because unless we are reclusive, there are always others with us in > relationship to us and our experience." > > Our own ... what is this our own ? Like a child that wants to hold > the fire or touch a sparkler to the curtains ? How much of what we > do, do we really ' own ' up, if ever ? > > Logically, only someone who has access to the whole of all > consequences of his actions, the value system and the ability to > discriminate and measure their cumulative good and bad, and the > sagacity to choose only those actions with positive good or the least > harmful ... only such a person can be considered capable and > responsible enough to follow his or her own dictates. > > The rest are only frothing from their mouth, only because they can and > get away with it ... just as Bush did, Hitler felt he did, Stalin too, > the consumerists do, the poachers do, the corrupt do, the liars and > the dishonest do, the extremists do ... all because they can and not > get called for their actions ! ? > > On May 24, 7:39 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I can appreciate your offering DWB. We all make mistakes, it is true, > > and often our mistakes violate others in gross and subtle ways. > > Sometimes, we later understand our actions to be mistakes, sometimes, > > while we are acting we know and do it anyway, sometimes, we never > > realize it. So we all carry on, and if we are compassionate, we can > > forgive others and ourselves for our mistakes, and allow ourselves and > > others the space for the realization, without judging or condemning. > > And, if the our mistakes or the mistakes of others arouse anger or > > fear within us, we deal with that (our own shadow nature) within us, > > and not place blame. Of course, this doesn't always happen, but it > > can... > > > Living life according to our own dictates is always complicated, > > because unless we are reclusive, there are always others with us in > > relationship to us and our experience. > > > On May 24, 9:45 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Thank you for your input Molly! I always have valued you thoughts and > > > today is no seperate occasion. I do not believe people have any right > > > to commit such things though it is true that some believe it's ok. I > > > think that by means of justification one can convince oneself that > > > anything is ok. I do not live my life this way and have no need to > > > infringe upon the sanctity of others for the pursuit of my own > > > happiness or personal gain. Much to the contrary, I live and let live > > > and if someone wrongs me I bless that person no matter how much it > > > kills me to do so and no matter how much I wish to recompensate them > > > for their misdeed, I do not. I have found that insomuch as one sows > > > also shall that person reap and I have paid dearly for my misdeeds and > > > have reaped much sorrow. Even for my malign thoughts I have paid a > > > price and have worked hard to correct my ways and thinking. Simple > > > life science really and of which requires no belief, just > > > understanding and practice. My beliefs are something entirely > > > different from that of conventional theology, it is a bit more > > > compelex and difficult to explain. In time you will understand more > > > about the way I believe as I reveal myself. Cheers and good health to > > > you. > > > > On May 23, 3:16 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "I live my life as I wish to live it and I believe that everyone > > > > should have that right." > > > > > An interesting notion, DWB, and I wonder if you mean this literally - > > > > as if anyone who thought stealing, cheating, lying, murdering, > > > > violence, cruelty etc., was right and wished to live their lives doing > > > > as they pleased no matter the cost to those around them should do just > > > > that. It seems to me that belief in not only our own, but the rights > > > > of others is indeed important, but also needs to include the > > > > understanding of how our behavior effects others and the relationship > > > > of what we believe and do with the our world. Doing and saying as you > > > > please without awareness or regard of your response - ability to your > > > > total experience - including others, the earth, society, god....well, > > > > do we really have that right? I think we sell ourselves short like > > > > this most of all. > > > > > On May 23, 10:25 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > "Your in dreamland DB, I don't need any god to do any work on me. > > > > > Why > > > > > do I have to have a god to something to me?" > > > > > > Well I think the time will come when you will be able to answer that > > > > > question yourself my friend, perhaps for some bannanas? I don't know > > > > > and would not venture to guess.As I said, I don't wish to try to > > > > > convince you of anything and do not bear the banner for any crusade. > > > > > Surely we are all in our own little dreamland. > > > > > > "Did you ever consider that your "God" might just want people to > > > > > enjoy > > > > > life, to eat drink and be merry, to just live and "Stop" trying to > > > > > kiss god's ass?" > > > > > > Well yes and I'm glad that you make this point! By any religious > > > > > convention I think I would be considerd a heretic though I fail to > > > > > allow any bible beaters and the like to point that out. I live my life > > > > > as I wish to live it and I believe that everyone should have that > > > > > right. Along with drinking (gratuitous amounts I should add) and > > > > > eating it makes me "merry" to search for answers and find truth, > > > > > however subjective it may be, to explain this existance of ours and > > > > > perhaps point to some objective or absolute reason for it. I cannot > > > > > fathom kissing gods ass though, unless it was for bannanas. > > > > > > On May 21, 5:36 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Your in dreamland DB, I don't need any god to do any work on me. > > > > > > Why > > > > > > do I have to have a god to something to me? > > > > > > > Did you ever consider that your "God" might just want people to > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > life, to eat drink and be merry, to just live and "Stop" trying to > > > > > > kiss god's ass? > > > > > > > I find it all so pathetic. > > > > > > > On May 21, 11:57 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree that there are many unanswered questions/unexplained > > > > > > > phenomena > > > > > > > and the like which can easily be fit into a nice little man made > > > > > > > "God > > > > > > > box". It does seem all too convienient while looking at the world > > > > > > > through eyes such as yours. I also look for "proof" and I often > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > it in the human experience. Truly I do not count this as empirical > > > > > > > though the numbers are convincing.HA! One might conclude this is > > > > > > > mass > > > > > > > dilusions of grandure on a global scale but the diversity of the > > > > > > > numbers is what is convincing to me. You see, many of these > > > > > > > "believers" are the same scientists that have you hooked on your > > > > > > > lack > > > > > > > of beleif! What they are not telling you is the very same thing > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > they "know" to be fact! And in the very same way your are bound in > > > > > > > your unbelief they are promoting false "Gods" and have the > > > > > > > believing > > > > > > > masses blinded by "light" and worshiping "myths"! It comes down to > > > > > > > hegamony! Yes the lust for continued power and control and greed > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > material riches. In anothr thread our friend, ash, spoke of "the > > > > > > > Beligerent Dimurge" and that is who is being worshiped. It is not > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > true "God" as I understand God. Far be it from me to try to > > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > you of anything as it is beyond my capacity but I am certain that > > > > > > > God > > > > > > > shall do his own work with you. > > > > > > > > On May 21, 11:22 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I had no doubt that we would differ, Pat. What you say still > > > > > > > > evokes > > > > > > > > the question of a consciousness with intent. To say what IS > > > > > > > > just IS > > > > > > > > can be viewed as a truth, like the big boulder outside my > > > > > > > > window. You > > > > > > > > have created the box by imposing a set of inferences. When > > > > > > > > looking at > > > > > > > > the whole there doesn't have to be a box, which essentially is > > > > > > > > a human > > > > > > > > construct stemming from the need to address the unknown. > > > > > > > > We deal with physical science, the proof of things, a sort of > > > > > > > > macro- > > > > > > > > religion which defines everything in terms of what we see and > > > > > > > > experience with our physical senses while the natural world > > > > > > > > leaves > > > > > > > > open ended areas which we have no answers for. This is the > > > > > > > > point at > > > > > > > > which the constructs begin to take form because there is no > > > > > > > > proof > > > > > > > > otherwise, eg; the Gallileo experience. Without scientific > > > > > > > > proof > > > > > > > > anyone can say anything, purport truth from dust and create > > > > > > > > "Myth". > > > > > > > > Storms, lightning and thunder are no longer angry gods and > > > > > > > > sacrificial > > > > > > > > human lambs are no longer necessary but for some reason we have > > > > > > > > yet to > > > > > > > > let go of the main theme of religious belief. > > > > > > > > Religion's foundation is completely based on explanation of the > > > > > > > > unknown and the unseen, the perceptions of good and evil and > > > > > > > > the need > > > > > > > > to explore afterlife. These perceptions/constructs lead to a > > > > > > > > oneness, > > > > > > > > a central being, a deity and in some cultures a multiplicity, a > > > > > > > > composite of deities assigned to elements of the universe such > > > > > > > > as the > > > > > > > > ocean and the sun. Tack on the egocentric nature of humanity > > > > > > > > and what > > > > > > > > you get is man's idea that he is an appendage of the oneness, an > > > > > > > > extension of the almighty. Now we have gods with an uncanny > > ... > > read more »
