we choose our words, our thoughts and emotions. But as you say, when we are "in the equipoise way" those choices are self evident and, as DWB points out, only Brahaman. Cynicism will not get us there.
On Jun 3, 12:40 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Being aware that there is no choice to be made and remaining in > equipoise is the way. > > On Jun 2, 3:43 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Making the choice to be neither, yet embracing all those that are, as > > essential to the One, is the means to escaping the slavery we each > > impose on ourselves. > > > On Jun 2, 5:29 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Those who dominate are actually slaves to their own lower nature. > > > > On Jun 2, 12:15 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Molly is right. > > > > Allan > > > > > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:33 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > Such confidence is rarely seen. > > > > > > On Jun 1, 3:00 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > we all use it, you are no exception. > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 1:57 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > *** assumes the royal 'we' is being used *** > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 4:43 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "we need to take on a greater arrogance to put the ' good - at > > > > > > > > - heart ' arrogant in place." > > > > > > > > > I see, like toning down anger with more anger. Yes, this can be > > > > > > > > effective, but only if our counter anger is seen in truth by us. > > > > > > > > Often, in such situations, instead of one person lovingly using > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > affect of anger to tone down another into a more rational > > > > > > > > state, we > > > > > > > > get two people raging at one another. And like force, this > > > > > > > > rarely > > > > > > > > comes to love. > > > > > > > > > The trick to it would be, I suppose, that our judgment of > > > > > > > > another be > > > > > > > > completely clear, devoid of all self serving agenda, shining > > > > > > > > like the > > > > > > > > sun at high noon, without shadow. Often, we do not recognize > > > > > > > > that it > > > > > > > > is not until the words are already spoken and the damage done. > > > > > > > > More > > > > > > > > often, we donn the suit of the warrior out to squash wrong in > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > with our sword of love and come to find that indeed, we have > > > > > > > > picked > > > > > up > > > > > > > > the sword of self interest instead, and are ultimately at war > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > ourselves, only recognizing it in other when our own shadow > > > > > > > > turns the > > > > > > > > mirror to darkness. Thus, humility has its way with us, and the > > > > > light > > > > > > > > is restored. > > > > > > > > > I think that one big clue as to which is which is the language > > > > > > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > > > choose, even in our own thoughts. If we are looking to expose > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > condemn with references of evil and harsh words, we are usually > > > > > > > > quelling our own ghosts. When we are reaching out with > > > > > > > > compassion > > > > > and > > > > > > > > holding other in the greater good, we are moving in compassion. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, when we are revved up with emotion, we sometimes > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > stop to determine the difference. > > > > > > > > > On May 31, 8:40 am, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It isn't the whole thing, Molly ! Sometimes, as they say, God > > > > > > > > > willing, we need to take on a greater arrogance to put the ' > > > > > > > > > good - > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > - heart ' arrogant in place. Out of sheer love of the other, > > > > > > > > > if I > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > add. It usually is on account of forgetfulness and the > > > > > > > > > treatment > > > > > > > > > serves to shake things up in a moment or for a day or week, > > > > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > > > protagonist to reflect and realise the simplest of truths > > > > > > > > > he'd come > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > transgress. > > > > > > > > > > We'll all have the time and occasion to come together when we > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > appreciate or deprecate our bodies, talk of our feelings and > > > > > emotions, > > > > > > > > > our thoughts and ideas, and our knowledge, with the full > > > > > > > > > awareness > > > > > > > > > that it is the others who are making it possible. > > > > > > > > > Occasionally too, > > > > > > > > > the knowledge comes to resonate among two or may people. > > > > > > > > > That's the > > > > > > > > > blessing beyond par ! > > > > > > > > > > But force - creating such resonance is not only futile but > > > > > damaging, > > > > > > > > > even traumatic, too. > > > > > > > > > > On May 31, 5:05 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Arrogance can be offputting. My experience is, that it is > > > > > usually, in > > > > > > > > > > one way or another, shattered by humility. Experience has > > > > > > > > > > a way > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > giving this to us in the most surprising ways. > > > > > > > > > > > On May 31, 3:27 am, vamadevananda <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " But how do we know that someone else is not just > > > > > > > > > > > exploring a > > > > > > > > > > > particular phase in their overall integrity, and may find > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow to move them beyond ?" > > > > > > > > > > > > As PSK said, by the rigidity, definitiveness and finality > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > public declarations. The evangelists and extremists do > > > > > > > > > > > that, so > > > > > do the > > > > > > > > > > > doom - sayers ! It is the damage by such declarations > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > must be > > > > > > > > > > > preempted, if we may. The moving beyond, as the 2012 doom > > > > > sayers > > > > > > > > > > > certainly will, is in the future, having nothing to > > > > > > > > > > > mitigate > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > damages and scarring one is causing today. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Why is it important to judge a person's view as closed > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > open ?" > > > > > > > > > > > > Because closed views are like stagnant, unreplenished, > > > > > > > > > > > waters > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > filthy and poisonous ! The open view is above all about > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > awareness > > > > > > > > > > > of what is factual, experiential, deductive or > > > > > > > > > > > extrapolatory, > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > > > however reasonable to oneself, and conjectural. It's > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > to keep > > > > > > > > > > > a hold on oneself, and not miss out or obfuscate these > > > > > qualifying > > > > > > > > > > > truths pertaining to our thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once thoughts are shared in such open spirit, we do not > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > ourself and our thought as privileged or overridingly more > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > than that of other ( well meaning or like endowed ) > > > > > individuals. You'd > > > > > > > > > > > find the dialogues which then proceed to be relatively > > > > > > > > > > > free of > > > > > > > > > > > desperation and violence, not to speak of the human ' > > > > > > > > > > > joys, > > > > > laughters > > > > > > > > > > > and flirtations ' fostered by our readiness to appreciate > > > > > > > > > > > the ' > > > > > > > > > > > meanings ' of what our interlocutors offer. In short, we > > > > > > > > > > > remain > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > > amongst others ... not seekers or claimants of privileged > > > > > status or > > > > > > > > > > > position. > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 30, 10:12 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > "those who do not rise and > > > > > > > > > > > > merely become adept, great adepts but chilling like > > > > > > > > > > > > lords > > > > > Voldemort, > > > > > > > > > > > > dedicated to a specific concept - structure that is > > > > > > > > > > > > deified > > > > > but only > > > > > > > > > > > > because it assures one's own overriding self - > > > > > > > > > > > > importance." > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can we possibly judge whether someone else is doing > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > you say > > > > > > > > > > > > here, or merely in the midst of current exploration and > > > > > integration? > > > > > > > > > > > > After all, we all take our studies in phases. Being > > > > > > > > > > > > open and > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > state of wonder is important, I agree. But how do we > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > someone else is not just exploring a particular phase in > > > > > their overall > > > > > > > > > > > > integrity, and may find something tomorrow to move them > > > > > beyond? Why > > > > > > > > > > > > is it important to judge a person's view as closed or > > > > > > > > > > > > open? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 4:55 am, vamadevananda > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems the way I came across to this Group, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > ideas and > > > > > views I > > > > > > > > > > > > > presented, have affected some people. Pat may be true > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > saying that > > > > > > > > > > > > > he'd been thus ' helped.' I do remember communicating > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > a few > > > > > > > > > > > > > others through mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But my query is : so what ? ... not to dismiss, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > remind > > > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves of the duty to go back to our de - anchored > > > > > > > > > > > > > view > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > perception, or continue with the search, even as we > > > > > > > > > > > > > live it > > > > > out in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > world, live out the mind and the concept structures > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > constitute > > > > > > > > > > > > > us ... with the desire to know, reflect and awaken > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > greater > > > > > > > > > > > > > peace, from where more loving, effective and > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfilling, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > regenerative actions proceed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no doubt that all well - meaning people are > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > the same, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > their own ways, to consequences appropriate to their > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > preoccupying > > > > > > > > > > > > > natures and exigencies, that mean and form us in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > middle > > > > > of things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most are vivacious, cooling off their minds from time > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > time than > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowing it. But they are preferable than those who do > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > rise and > > > > > > > > > > > > > merely become adept, great adepts but chilling like > > > > > > > > > > > > > lords > > > > > Voldemort, > > > > > > > > > > > > > dedicated to a specific concept - structure that is > > > > > > > > > > > > > deified > > > > > but only > > > > > > > > > > > > > because it assures one's own overriding self - > > > > > > > > > > > > > importance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Few indeed > > ... > > read more »
