Making the choice to be neither, yet embracing all those that are, as essential to the One, is the means to escaping the slavery we each impose on ourselves.
On Jun 2, 5:29 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Those who dominate are actually slaves to their own lower nature. > > On Jun 2, 12:15 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Molly is right. > > Allan > > > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:33 AM, ornamentalmind > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > Such confidence is rarely seen. > > > > On Jun 1, 3:00 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > we all use it, you are no exception. > > > > > On Jun 1, 1:57 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > *** assumes the royal 'we' is being used *** > > > > > > On Jun 1, 4:43 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > "we need to take on a greater arrogance to put the ' good - at > > > > > > - heart ' arrogant in place." > > > > > > > I see, like toning down anger with more anger. Yes, this can be > > > > > > effective, but only if our counter anger is seen in truth by us. > > > > > > Often, in such situations, instead of one person lovingly using the > > > > > > affect of anger to tone down another into a more rational state, we > > > > > > get two people raging at one another. And like force, this rarely > > > > > > comes to love. > > > > > > > The trick to it would be, I suppose, that our judgment of another be > > > > > > completely clear, devoid of all self serving agenda, shining like > > > > > > the > > > > > > sun at high noon, without shadow. Often, we do not recognize that > > > > > > it > > > > > > is not until the words are already spoken and the damage done. More > > > > > > often, we donn the suit of the warrior out to squash wrong in > > > > > > another > > > > > > with our sword of love and come to find that indeed, we have picked > > > up > > > > > > the sword of self interest instead, and are ultimately at war with > > > > > > ourselves, only recognizing it in other when our own shadow turns > > > > > > the > > > > > > mirror to darkness. Thus, humility has its way with us, and the > > > light > > > > > > is restored. > > > > > > > I think that one big clue as to which is which is the language that > > > we > > > > > > choose, even in our own thoughts. If we are looking to expose and > > > > > > condemn with references of evil and harsh words, we are usually > > > > > > quelling our own ghosts. When we are reaching out with compassion > > > and > > > > > > holding other in the greater good, we are moving in compassion. > > > > > > Unfortunately, when we are revved up with emotion, we sometimes > > > > > > don't > > > > > > stop to determine the difference. > > > > > > > On May 31, 8:40 am, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It isn't the whole thing, Molly ! Sometimes, as they say, God > > > > > > > willing, we need to take on a greater arrogance to put the ' good > > > > > > > - > > > at > > > > > > > - heart ' arrogant in place. Out of sheer love of the other, if I > > > may > > > > > > > add. It usually is on account of forgetfulness and the treatment > > > > > > > serves to shake things up in a moment or for a day or week, for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > protagonist to reflect and realise the simplest of truths he'd > > > > > > > come > > > to > > > > > > > transgress. > > > > > > > > We'll all have the time and occasion to come together when we can > > > > > > > appreciate or deprecate our bodies, talk of our feelings and > > > emotions, > > > > > > > our thoughts and ideas, and our knowledge, with the full awareness > > > > > > > that it is the others who are making it possible. Occasionally > > > > > > > too, > > > > > > > the knowledge comes to resonate among two or may people. That's > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > blessing beyond par ! > > > > > > > > But force - creating such resonance is not only futile but > > > damaging, > > > > > > > even traumatic, too. > > > > > > > > On May 31, 5:05 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Arrogance can be offputting. My experience is, that it is > > > usually, in > > > > > > > > one way or another, shattered by humility. Experience has a way > > > of > > > > > > > > giving this to us in the most surprising ways. > > > > > > > > > On May 31, 3:27 am, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > " But how do we know that someone else is not just exploring a > > > > > > > > > particular phase in their overall integrity, and may find > > > something > > > > > > > > > tomorrow to move them beyond ?" > > > > > > > > > > As PSK said, by the rigidity, definitiveness and finality in > > > one's > > > > > > > > > public declarations. The evangelists and extremists do that, > > > > > > > > > so > > > do the > > > > > > > > > doom - sayers ! It is the damage by such declarations that > > > must be > > > > > > > > > preempted, if we may. The moving beyond, as the 2012 doom > > > sayers > > > > > > > > > certainly will, is in the future, having nothing to mitigate > > > the > > > > > > > > > damages and scarring one is causing today. > > > > > > > > > > " Why is it important to judge a person's view as closed or > > > open ?" > > > > > > > > > > Because closed views are like stagnant, unreplenished, waters > > > ... > > > > > > > > > filthy and poisonous ! The open view is above all about the > > > awareness > > > > > > > > > of what is factual, experiential, deductive or extrapolatory, > > > belief > > > > > > > > > however reasonable to oneself, and conjectural. It's important > > > to keep > > > > > > > > > a hold on oneself, and not miss out or obfuscate these > > > qualifying > > > > > > > > > truths pertaining to our thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > Once thoughts are shared in such open spirit, we do not > > > consider > > > > > > > > > ourself and our thought as privileged or overridingly more > > > important > > > > > > > > > than that of other ( well meaning or like endowed ) > > > individuals. You'd > > > > > > > > > find the dialogues which then proceed to be relatively free of > > > > > > > > > desperation and violence, not to speak of the human ' joys, > > > laughters > > > > > > > > > and flirtations ' fostered by our readiness to appreciate the > > > > > > > > > ' > > > > > > > > > meanings ' of what our interlocutors offer. In short, we > > > > > > > > > remain > > > human > > > > > > > > > amongst others ... not seekers or claimants of privileged > > > status or > > > > > > > > > position. > > > > > > > > > > On May 30, 10:12 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "those who do not rise and > > > > > > > > > > merely become adept, great adepts but chilling like lords > > > Voldemort, > > > > > > > > > > dedicated to a specific concept - structure that is deified > > > but only > > > > > > > > > > because it assures one's own overriding self - importance." > > > > > > > > > > > How can we possibly judge whether someone else is doing as > > > you say > > > > > > > > > > here, or merely in the midst of current exploration and > > > integration? > > > > > > > > > > After all, we all take our studies in phases. Being open and > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > state of wonder is important, I agree. But how do we know > > > that > > > > > > > > > > someone else is not just exploring a particular phase in > > > their overall > > > > > > > > > > integrity, and may find something tomorrow to move them > > > beyond? Why > > > > > > > > > > is it important to judge a person's view as closed or open? > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 4:55 am, vamadevananda <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems the way I came across to this Group, the ideas > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > views I > > > > > > > > > > > presented, have affected some people. Pat may be true in > > > saying that > > > > > > > > > > > he'd been thus ' helped.' I do remember communicating with > > > a few > > > > > > > > > > > others through mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > But my query is : so what ? ... not to dismiss, but to > > > remind > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves of the duty to go back to our de - anchored view > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > perception, or continue with the search, even as we live > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > out in the > > > > > > > > > > > world, live out the mind and the concept structures that > > > constitute > > > > > > > > > > > us ... with the desire to know, reflect and awaken into > > > greater > > > > > > > > > > > peace, from where more loving, effective and fulfilling, > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > regenerative actions proceed. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no doubt that all well - meaning people are doing > > > the same, in > > > > > > > > > > > their own ways, to consequences appropriate to their own > > > preoccupying > > > > > > > > > > > natures and exigencies, that mean and form us in the > > > > > > > > > > > middle > > > of things. > > > > > > > > > > > Most are vivacious, cooling off their minds from time to > > > time than > > > > > > > > > > > knowing it. But they are preferable than those who do not > > > rise and > > > > > > > > > > > merely become adept, great adepts but chilling like lords > > > Voldemort, > > > > > > > > > > > dedicated to a specific concept - structure that is > > > > > > > > > > > deified > > > but only > > > > > > > > > > > because it assures one's own overriding self - importance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Few indeed see the measure of our acceptance of diversity, > > > and of the > > > > > > > > > > > plurality about us, as a definite KPI of love, peace and > > > wisdom in our > > > > > > > > > > > lives. Because for it to be, much of our earned spiritual > > > power, > > > > > > > > > > > happiness and freedom, need to be subsumed in the practice > > > of ' not > > > > > > > > > > > this,' ' not this.' > > > > > > > > > > > > The destination is without all concept structures, of > > > oneself and of > > > > > > > > > > > the other(s).- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > Be Paranoid. > > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
