Thank you, orn. Although I tend to say this confidence is very American in its potentiality to ignore.
On 2 Jun., 09:15, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Molly is right. > Allan > > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:33 AM, ornamentalmind > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Such confidence is rarely seen. > > > On Jun 1, 3:00 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > we all use it, you are no exception. > > > > On Jun 1, 1:57 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > *** assumes the royal 'we' is being used *** > > > > > On Jun 1, 4:43 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > "we need to take on a greater arrogance to put the ' good - at > > > > > - heart ' arrogant in place." > > > > > > I see, like toning down anger with more anger. Yes, this can be > > > > > effective, but only if our counter anger is seen in truth by us. > > > > > Often, in such situations, instead of one person lovingly using the > > > > > affect of anger to tone down another into a more rational state, we > > > > > get two people raging at one another. And like force, this rarely > > > > > comes to love. > > > > > > The trick to it would be, I suppose, that our judgment of another be > > > > > completely clear, devoid of all self serving agenda, shining like the > > > > > sun at high noon, without shadow. Often, we do not recognize that it > > > > > is not until the words are already spoken and the damage done. More > > > > > often, we donn the suit of the warrior out to squash wrong in another > > > > > with our sword of love and come to find that indeed, we have picked > > up > > > > > the sword of self interest instead, and are ultimately at war with > > > > > ourselves, only recognizing it in other when our own shadow turns the > > > > > mirror to darkness. Thus, humility has its way with us, and the > > light > > > > > is restored. > > > > > > I think that one big clue as to which is which is the language that > > we > > > > > choose, even in our own thoughts. If we are looking to expose and > > > > > condemn with references of evil and harsh words, we are usually > > > > > quelling our own ghosts. When we are reaching out with compassion > > and > > > > > holding other in the greater good, we are moving in compassion. > > > > > Unfortunately, when we are revved up with emotion, we sometimes don't > > > > > stop to determine the difference. > > > > > > On May 31, 8:40 am, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > It isn't the whole thing, Molly ! Sometimes, as they say, God > > > > > > willing, we need to take on a greater arrogance to put the ' good - > > at > > > > > > - heart ' arrogant in place. Out of sheer love of the other, if I > > may > > > > > > add. It usually is on account of forgetfulness and the treatment > > > > > > serves to shake things up in a moment or for a day or week, for the > > > > > > protagonist to reflect and realise the simplest of truths he'd come > > to > > > > > > transgress. > > > > > > > We'll all have the time and occasion to come together when we can > > > > > > appreciate or deprecate our bodies, talk of our feelings and > > emotions, > > > > > > our thoughts and ideas, and our knowledge, with the full awareness > > > > > > that it is the others who are making it possible. Occasionally too, > > > > > > the knowledge comes to resonate among two or may people. That's the > > > > > > blessing beyond par ! > > > > > > > But force - creating such resonance is not only futile but > > damaging, > > > > > > even traumatic, too. > > > > > > > On May 31, 5:05 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Arrogance can be offputting. My experience is, that it is > > usually, in > > > > > > > one way or another, shattered by humility. Experience has a way > > of > > > > > > > giving this to us in the most surprising ways. > > > > > > > > On May 31, 3:27 am, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > " But how do we know that someone else is not just exploring a > > > > > > > > particular phase in their overall integrity, and may find > > something > > > > > > > > tomorrow to move them beyond ?" > > > > > > > > > As PSK said, by the rigidity, definitiveness and finality in > > one's > > > > > > > > public declarations. The evangelists and extremists do that, so > > do the > > > > > > > > doom - sayers ! It is the damage by such declarations that > > must be > > > > > > > > preempted, if we may. The moving beyond, as the 2012 doom > > sayers > > > > > > > > certainly will, is in the future, having nothing to mitigate > > the > > > > > > > > damages and scarring one is causing today. > > > > > > > > > " Why is it important to judge a person's view as closed or > > open ?" > > > > > > > > > Because closed views are like stagnant, unreplenished, waters > > ... > > > > > > > > filthy and poisonous ! The open view is above all about the > > awareness > > > > > > > > of what is factual, experiential, deductive or extrapolatory, > > belief > > > > > > > > however reasonable to oneself, and conjectural. It's important > > to keep > > > > > > > > a hold on oneself, and not miss out or obfuscate these > > qualifying > > > > > > > > truths pertaining to our thoughts. > > > > > > > > > Once thoughts are shared in such open spirit, we do not > > consider > > > > > > > > ourself and our thought as privileged or overridingly more > > important > > > > > > > > than that of other ( well meaning or like endowed ) > > individuals. You'd > > > > > > > > find the dialogues which then proceed to be relatively free of > > > > > > > > desperation and violence, not to speak of the human ' joys, > > laughters > > > > > > > > and flirtations ' fostered by our readiness to appreciate the ' > > > > > > > > meanings ' of what our interlocutors offer. In short, we remain > > human > > > > > > > > amongst others ... not seekers or claimants of privileged > > status or > > > > > > > > position. > > > > > > > > > On May 30, 10:12 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "those who do not rise and > > > > > > > > > merely become adept, great adepts but chilling like lords > > Voldemort, > > > > > > > > > dedicated to a specific concept - structure that is deified > > but only > > > > > > > > > because it assures one's own overriding self - importance." > > > > > > > > > > How can we possibly judge whether someone else is doing as > > you say > > > > > > > > > here, or merely in the midst of current exploration and > > integration? > > > > > > > > > After all, we all take our studies in phases. Being open and > > in a > > > > > > > > > state of wonder is important, I agree. But how do we know > > that > > > > > > > > > someone else is not just exploring a particular phase in > > their overall > > > > > > > > > integrity, and may find something tomorrow to move them > > beyond? Why > > > > > > > > > is it important to judge a person's view as closed or open? > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 4:55 am, vamadevananda <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It seems the way I came across to this Group, the ideas and > > views I > > > > > > > > > > presented, have affected some people. Pat may be true in > > saying that > > > > > > > > > > he'd been thus ' helped.' I do remember communicating with > > a few > > > > > > > > > > others through mail. > > > > > > > > > > > But my query is : so what ? ... not to dismiss, but to > > remind > > > > > > > > > > ourselves of the duty to go back to our de - anchored view > > or > > > > > > > > > > perception, or continue with the search, even as we live it > > out in the > > > > > > > > > > world, live out the mind and the concept structures that > > constitute > > > > > > > > > > us ... with the desire to know, reflect and awaken into > > greater > > > > > > > > > > peace, from where more loving, effective and fulfilling, > > and > > > > > > > > > > regenerative actions proceed. > > > > > > > > > > > I have no doubt that all well - meaning people are doing > > the same, in > > > > > > > > > > their own ways, to consequences appropriate to their own > > preoccupying > > > > > > > > > > natures and exigencies, that mean and form us in the middle > > of things. > > > > > > > > > > Most are vivacious, cooling off their minds from time to > > time than > > > > > > > > > > knowing it. But they are preferable than those who do not > > rise and > > > > > > > > > > merely become adept, great adepts but chilling like lords > > Voldemort, > > > > > > > > > > dedicated to a specific concept - structure that is deified > > but only > > > > > > > > > > because it assures one's own overriding self - importance. > > > > > > > > > > > Few indeed see the measure of our acceptance of diversity, > > and of the > > > > > > > > > > plurality about us, as a definite KPI of love, peace and > > wisdom in our > > > > > > > > > > lives. Because for it to be, much of our earned spiritual > > power, > > > > > > > > > > happiness and freedom, need to be subsumed in the practice > > of ' not > > > > > > > > > > this,' ' not this.' > > > > > > > > > > > The destination is without all concept structures, of > > oneself and of > > > > > > > > > > the other(s).- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > Be Paranoid. > God is always building a better idiot!!!
