" Human incompetence and stupidity is pandemic ... "

The bastards who believe in this need are the same who are addicted to going
back to the sucking they are used to, and I include Gruff among the suckers
!

That's an ad hominem and I am guilty as accused !  It's impossible to
include him in a shorthand practice and not know him for what he is ! It's
ignorance dark. Let Gruff lodge his complaint or withdraw gracefully.

But he's a vermin. No human is incompetent except by the bosses that pay
him. The feudalism and capitalism isn't far ! Having landed into nothing, he
expects everyone to be likewise ... nothing. Well Gruff, not everyone is
agreeable to being nothing. And I want to turn the world upside down  if
that be what you want us to be .


I do not agree with his buttering and cuddling to powers that be.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:40 PM, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:

> "... On Jul 16, 8:27 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: ..."
>
> > We have a hosepipe ban here Gruff - water shortage in NW England!  I'm
> > looking for a bet that all Lancashire cricket will now be washed out!
> > Our Bulgarian neighbours can't work out why they don't just shut the
> > stuff off 8 hours a day like back home.  They still dig wells to
> > irrigate crops on the family farm over there.  Given how incompetent
> > we are in government in the West I'm often amazed we get anything
> > built,until I think of my experience elsewhere.  My sense is that we
> > did do a fair day's pay better than most others and need to get back
> > to that.  The cuts here will hurt more than most expect -and all over
> > Europe as the private sector will probably have no bounce or
> > innovation.  I hope I'm wrong, but the kind of private sector I worked
> > in has gone.  What keeps springing up are management agencies for
> > essentially public sector work, done at cheaper prices.  I suspect
> > this is wrong in principle.  I'm all in favour of efficiency, but we
> > need more than just this.
>
> Human incompetence and stupidity is pandemic and I think always has
> been and yes, I too am continually astounded that things we manage to
> accomplish in spite of it.  Clearly it does not take a majority of the
> population to bring about positive change.  There was a book very
> popular over here back in the '80s called The Peter Principle which
> argued that people in any sort of organizational situation will rise
> to the highest level of their own incompetence.  In government it's
> called the bureaucracy and it works the same way in any large
> corporation.  Entities may or may not be too big to fail but they are
> definitely big enough to be incredibly stupid, inefficient, inept,
> self-centered, paranoid and self-destructive in their attempts to be
> self-perpetuating.
>
> Yet in spite of it all, I feel positive about the future.  I used to
> have that confidence because I always figured that competent good
> people outnumbered the idiots 51% to 49%.  I have a new theory these
> days.  As I noted above, I think it only takes a small number of
> people working at their best and in the best interests of society to
> move us forward.
>
> > My suspicion is that the business models are outdated.  Our pubs are
> > closing everywhere, screwed by taxes, costly buildings, equipment,
> > position and being just crap places.  Nothing new is replacing them.
> > I can think of nowhere where the old smoke stacks have really been
> > replaced, and all the shipping and such is in other labour markets -
> > we could draw up along list.  Kids are being told to get educated, but
> > frankly the factories and big companies did a much better job at that
> > than universities and colleges.  There is no vision and I think the
> > 'invisible hand' is broken.  Charles Murray talked about this 30 years
> > ago.  The new government is basically saying there is no money, so sod
> > off and find new ways to do stuff.
>
> While some business models are clearly outdated, others that currently
> don't seem to work would show progress if they were properly and
> rationally applied.  But outmoded industry and industry that has
> become far too labor expensive ( vs being labor intensive) is gone for
> good to emerging nations.  I think our education system -- and
> probably yours too -- is geared toward the old assembly line industry
> and needs to be redirected toward a more complex technical industrial
> and business world.  Over here that shows up  clearly in our huge
> influx of high tech workers from other nations because we can't find
> them among our own.  This seems especially prevalent in the medical
> profession and is creating a new problem in the area of
> communication.  These technicians and health care workers may be
> technically proficient but there is a language problem that is causing
> a high degree of mistakes.  Secondly, and this is strictly my own
> opinion with no supporting evidence, but I find many nurses are coming
> here from Asia and have a cultural background that places different
> values on human life and comfort than what we in the west have.
>
> > The single Gaussian copula (or multiple) is not of much interest,other
> > than that our financial institutions waste a lot of electricity
> > cooling CPUs to run it - Wiki has a reasonable explanation. I;m fairly
> > good in the area and can't see that it's much more than another magic
> > wand covering insider trading and betting with more knowledge than the
> > market as a whole.
>
> I took a look at the Wiki entry and while it might be a reasonable
> explanation for someone in that specialty it was greek to me.  I'll
> take your word that it's pretty much another magic wand.  But trading
> is nothing more than a more reputable form of casino gaming and the
> casinos have allowed, welcomed and even financed some people to come
> in and try out their systems for beating the odds.  The house always
> winds up with its take regardless.  The only system that's a proven
> winner is counting cards at blackjack or '21' and the state made it
> illegal.
>
> I understand the comparison is superficial because the market can be
> manipulated much easier than a casino can be taken, but there is still
> that element that's present.  People are complaining that more
> regulation will raise the cost of finance and possibly may smother the
> economy.  I don't think so.  People are always devising protection
> schemes that others find their way around almost immediately.  It just
> takes an ever higher level of being clever.  But the system continues
> on, so clearly the deviousity (sic) is not that much a hindrance to
> continual profits.
>
> > I'm all for shaking out the apples, but I want to
> > see more than vague, old and failed hopes of entrepreneurial
> > enterprise and such.  Most public debates are clapped out.  Science
> > would be looking for a new core programme for capitalism 4.
>
> According to my theory the growth of human awareness, innate morality,
> and civil behavior always lags scientific and business innovation and
> advancement but that gap is getting smaller as the demands of a fast
> moving world pull us along.  The theory, knowledge and practice will
> follow in logical order.
>
> Just keep on reminding yourself that it's a fiat economy -- a fiction
> by any other name -- and we're the authors.  We can write it any way
> we wish.




-- 
ASHOK TEWARI

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