As we've noticed before Gruff there isn't often much difference between us. What I'd like to see is more 'accounting' on what economic beliefs entail for action. My balance sheet makes me tend to the belief we are being denied politics, but as you know I am resistant to idiot experiments in big government and centralisation. We are probably back to this in the UK, where the choice (never put to us) was between Zanu PF Nulabour and vast bureaucracy and the ConDem alliance that is big on destroying that kind of thing to bring invisible hand innovation (which usually means big corporate, less direct democracy - though bureaucracy runs against this too). We had an election with no sensible argument, At bottom in all this we need some means to be able to work expecting decent reward and to maintain personal integrity. We gave a multiple teenage burglar a flat and chance to change through unpaid work - now he's got 5 years as the recidivist he always was. Another guy given disability benefits has now been exposed dancing and no longer disabled. These matters are legion. Crime has been shown to be everywhere in commercial and bureaucratic institutions - the Dutch attempted to win the world cup by kicking the other teams shitless and nearly succeeded. It's the vagueness of economics that makes me feel it denies us politics and sensible solutions. The argument is less 'invisible hand' and more 'dirty hands' - exposed intellectually as ideology but not really clear in public arguments. This ideology is in the way of politics as surely as the soviet ones were. Alternatives would have to start with more basic assumptions than we have currently on how much work should be expected of individuals and the controls exerted on us by having to earn livings and so on. To do this we need a better base concerning what is actually going on.
Thanks Molly - I'll have a look. On 4 Aug, 17:09, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > Netflix has a multitude of movies and TV series that are free with a > streaming device - eliminates the need for commercial TV altogether! > > On Aug 4, 12:04 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > No Molly - I should be doing something like that. > > > On 1 Aug, 16:14, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > No Netflix for you? > > > > On Aug 1, 8:56 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I quite like having the radio or television on when I'm working. This > > > > morning it was Test Match Special, but we trashed the Pakistanis in > > > > short order, so I thought I'd have some mindless Startrek in the > > > > background.- last night it was the brilliant Russian film 'Company > > > > 9'. Sadly, I have to hit the mute button to get rid of adverts and > > > > the even worse promos.I'd like to be able to access services without > > > > ads and promos and would pay. "Economics" means I can't get what I > > > > want. I want to buy what products I need at fair prices - "economics" > > > > makes this very difficult. I suspect "economics" is a means of > > > > denying us politics. > > > > > On 1 Aug, 13:45, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I too know something on arming Allan - but what is the genral case? > > > > > > On 1 Aug, 07:53, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > farming hmmm know a little about it from crops irrigation, > > > > > > fertilizing,plowing, crop rotation, land management, forest > > > > > > management. > > > > > > growing mushrooms, composting, haying, dairying, cheese > > > > > > production.. but it > > > > > > definitely is not enough my farm is paid off. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 2:20 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > We have little real idea of whether capitalism has brought wealth > > > > > > > beyond dreams. What we have in economics generally is a wad of > > > > > > > polemic and we generally read, ignore or never know much detail, > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > how to build theories from the ground up or scientific dreams. > > > > > > > Take farming as an example. Try writing down what you know about > > > > > > > working land to produce food. Not much I expect. > > > > > > > How about organising the design and production of goods? > > > > > > > What about what people really enjoy or might enjoy? > > > > > > > > I suspect the reality of capitalism for most people varies > > > > > > > depending > > > > > > > on where they live. I can write a book and maybe make some money > > > > > > > Others have never learned to write, but can sign up for months on > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > tuna boat. I do virtually sod all in comparison, but get to eat > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > tuna. I know I would rather have lived differently and think none > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > this was ever necessary. When capitalism can't use you it lets > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > starve or enter benefits limbo if you are lucky. > > > > > > > > I go back to Plato - he realises political systems are crap and > > > > > > > writes > > > > > > > a crapper one in his own interests. Is there much difference > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > Greek leisured society and those well off now? > > > > > > > If we bleat about a world fair for all, and do so without > > > > > > > consideration of those who want to maintain crude, sexist > > > > > > > religions > > > > > > > and breed until war seems a good idea, what are we doing? If we > > > > > > > praise capitalism but don't wonder about what a mess the world is > > > > > > > still in, what are we doing? > > > > > > > > Economics is delta hedging intercourse with the penguin and being > > > > > > > bothered about Chelsea Clinton's wedding. > > > > > > > > On 1 Aug, 00:09, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > If it did try to represent middle class values it was a small > > > > > > > > sliver. > > > > > > > > The middle class is most of American society and is hugely > > > > > > > > diverse. > > > > > > > > Please refrain from "your"- as you already have noted you do > > > > > > > > not know > > > > > > > > my "your". > > > > > > > > > On Jul 31, 8:40 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That was my point in noting The Graduate as representing your > > > > > > > > > glowing > > > > > > > > > middle-class values. > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 31, 5:11 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It was a strange film but true about "plastics"= the > > > > > > > > > > future. The > > > > > > > > > > female characters were pathetic and farcical and Dustin was > > > > > > > > > > a dolt. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:18 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Correction: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mrs. Robinson = The Graduate (1967)- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ( > > > > > > ) > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > > > > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -
