Ohh Pat as always there is much to say on this post. I'll start as is my want backwards if I may.
Why is a God that is not omnipotent not worthy of being worshipped? My father is not what i would call a good man by any stretch of the imagination, and it is true to say that if I was not his son I would not be a friend to the man. I love him though, he commands my love he is after all one of the people responsible for my being. God is omnipotent, yes Ibelive that of God. So a God that is ominpotent has not the power to grant certian speices God has created the freedom of choice, to choose to seek God or not? That makes no sense. An all powerfull God can of course do anything. There is no contradiction in the idea of an all powefull God not useing all of Gods powers. I could kill another man, I have the knowledge and the power to do that, yet I choose not to. There is then no logical discrepancy in having the power to do anything and choosing not to do certian things. The contradiction I see in the words that admitadly I have placed on your tounge is simple. In essance RP's post says theer is no free will, this is then what I deny, I say that that the opposite is true. Yet you manitan that there is no I, that we all are playing the part that god has given us. If You and RP play the part of saying there is no free will and attribute that to God saying there is no free will, then you cannot possibly claim that my stance 'there is free will' is also what God is saying via me. Contradiction. Who is it that afirms free will, my Self, or God through me? Who is it that denies free will, your Self or God through you? On 13 Aug, 14:22, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 13 Aug, 14:13, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > And I would of course deny all of this, yet if I do Pat would have it > > that in fact I deny nowt and that God within is doing the denying, > > however I can see contradiction here. > > Just name the contradictions, then. You've nailed my response and my > reasons for it. Is it just that you find it distasteful and demand > that you have SOME power even in the face of Omnipotence? I find > contradictions between 'free will' and Omnipotence. That is, God > CAN'T be Omnipotent, if people can act freely and, in essence, act > against His Will. If you can argue for Omnipotence and Free Will > without dancing around that conundrum, I'm all ears. Otherwise, you > end up having your free will but, in having it, you no longer have a > God that is omnipotent and, therefore, not worthy of worship. Whilst > I maintain an Omnipotent being and only have to submit to that which > MUST have complete power anyway. And I can find NO contradictions in > that. But, I'm all ears with respect to hearing an argument for both > having an omnipotent God and people retaining free will. That is, > I'll listen, but I've already outed the inherent contradiction in > that, but I'm willing to listen to arguments that MAY discover a way > around it. Lead on, MacDuff.... ;-) > > > > > On 13 Aug, 14:02, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > It's just as likely that you are controlled by your parents and > > > thereafter the State. > > > > On Aug 12, 11:47 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I am this organism and was born, will live and die. Whatever I think , > > > > feel and do is controlled by Nature , within me , and outside me. I > > > > feel free because I am part of that Nature.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
