Illusion comes in many forms. Nice to find a kindred soul upon a book.
On Aug 13, 1:35 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you for the link Molly , that's one good book. It shows how people are > under the sway of their emotions. Similarly people are under the sway of > their understanding and ignore their emotions and act reasonably. It is all > a matter of an individual's nature. > > > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > Of Human Bondage,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_Human_Bondage Great > > book that agrees with what you say here RP. Our own limitations bind > > us. > > > On Aug 13, 12:38 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > To all intents and purposes we have free will but we do freely what is > > the > > > will of God. Now Lee , when you were young didn't you ever feel a strong > > > emotion for a girl. That is how Nature binds you from inside by your own > > > nature , sometime you are out of control with anger , isn't that nature > > > binding you from inside you. Someone insults you , that is Nature acting > > > from outside you and you give a fitting reply , that is bondage from > > inside. > > > As we are the agents of Nature we feel free in ourselves and to others. > > > The ties that bind us are very subtle and not easily discernible to us , > > we > > > have to go really into depth to understand our bondage. > > > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:14 AM, [email protected] < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Ohh Pat as always there is much to say on this post. > > > > > I'll start as is my want backwards if I may. > > > > > Why is a God that is not omnipotent not worthy of being worshipped? > > > > My father is not what i would call a good man by any stretch of the > > > > imagination, and it is true to say that if I was not his son I would > > > > not be a friend to the man. I love him though, he commands my love he > > > > is after all one of the people responsible for my being. > > > > > God is omnipotent, yes Ibelive that of God. So a God that is > > > > ominpotent has not the power to grant certian speices God has created > > > > the freedom of choice, to choose to seek God or not? That makes no > > > > sense. An all powerfull God can of course do anything. > > > > > There is no contradiction in the idea of an all powefull God not > > > > useing all of Gods powers. I could kill another man, I have the > > > > knowledge and the power to do that, yet I choose not to. > > > > > There is then no logical discrepancy in having the power to do > > > > anything and choosing not to do certian things. > > > > > The contradiction I see in the words that admitadly I have placed on > > > > your tounge is simple. > > > > > In essance RP's post says theer is no free will, this is then what I > > > > deny, I say that that the opposite is true. Yet you manitan that there > > > > is no I, that we all are playing the part that god has given us. If > > > > You and RP play the part of saying there is no free will and attribute > > > > that to God saying there is no free will, then you cannot possibly > > > > claim that my stance 'there is free will' is also what God is saying > > > > via me. Contradiction. > > > > > Who is it that afirms free will, my Self, or God through me? > > > > Who is it that denies free will, your Self or God through you? > > > > > On 13 Aug, 14:22, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 13 Aug, 14:13, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > And I would of course deny all of this, yet if I do Pat would have > > it > > > > > > that in fact I deny nowt and that God within is doing the denying, > > > > > > however I can see contradiction here. > > > > > > Just name the contradictions, then. You've nailed my response and my > > > > > reasons for it. Is it just that you find it distasteful and demand > > > > > that you have SOME power even in the face of Omnipotence? I find > > > > > contradictions between 'free will' and Omnipotence. That is, God > > > > > CAN'T be Omnipotent, if people can act freely and, in essence, act > > > > > against His Will. If you can argue for Omnipotence and Free Will > > > > > without dancing around that conundrum, I'm all ears. Otherwise, you > > > > > end up having your free will but, in having it, you no longer have a > > > > > God that is omnipotent and, therefore, not worthy of worship. Whilst > > > > > I maintain an Omnipotent being and only have to submit to that which > > > > > MUST have complete power anyway. And I can find NO contradictions in > > > > > that. But, I'm all ears with respect to hearing an argument for both > > > > > having an omnipotent God and people retaining free will. That is, > > > > > I'll listen, but I've already outed the inherent contradiction in > > > > > that, but I'm willing to listen to arguments that MAY discover a way > > > > > around it. Lead on, MacDuff.... ;-) > > > > > > > On 13 Aug, 14:02, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It's just as likely that you are controlled by your parents and > > > > > > > thereafter the State. > > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 11:47 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I am this organism and was born, will live and die. Whatever I > > > > think , > > > > > > > > feel and do is controlled by Nature , within me , and outside > > me. I > > > > > > > > feel free because I am part of that Nature.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
