It could be extreme in that testimony dependent on truth might be disallowed if it was felt one could not honestly swear on the Bible- the Bible being the common currency of trust in the Christian West. Surely one could make a merry thought out of this idea! "I prefer to swear on Shakespeare...".
Will is the armor of battle- to win or lose. It is the verb of one's being. On Aug 14, 7:38 am, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: > " ... oddly enough atheism is an extreme form of beliefs. Does this too draw > your ire? " > > I disagree. Atheism is only the lack of belief in deity. It is not extreme > or presumptuous at all. > > " ... I need to understand your meaning for "Will" " > > Will is a consequence of emotion filled mind. Perhaps you missed it the > first time ! > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 3:46 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think a good place to start is what 'Will' is to you ('' ,) if for > > nothing else so that can see where you are coming from,, oddly enough > > atheism is an extreme form of beliefs. Does this too draw your ire? > > > I for one enjoy listen to or rather reading (when I am really lazy I do > > turn on the reader,,) about other peoples view of GOD.. I know that I enjoy > > sharing it. as for being presumptuous I can not possible know the totality > > of a being that in a moment of enlightenment created the entirety of the > > universe from within. Pretty awesome enlightenment if you ask me. > > > Nor can I diminish those that study and understand parts of this being.. > > > Now for these simple reasons I need to understand your meaning for "Will" > > Allan > > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM, ashok tewari <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> RP, when people speak for God, on behalf of God, as to what He is and what > >> He is not, what He has and what He has not, it only draws my smile ! And > >> sometimes, with extreme forms of the same presumptuousness, it draws my > >> ire. > > >> A better place to start might be to consider : God has NO will, as in what > >> will means to you and Pat. > > >> Will is a consequence of emotion filled mind. Is that how you see God to > >> be ? > > >> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:37 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> Vam , we are not parts of God but only his emanations. His will is not > >>> made up of our wills , His will is not a composite of all , rather it is > >>> the > >>> only will and our wills are just illusions. But as far as this changing > >>> world is concerned we are free in ourselves and to others. That is why > >>> feel > >>> remorse etc. for our actions and anger at other people's acts. That is why > >>> everybody is accountable , no one can excuse his actions on the pretext > >>> that > >>> he is bound. Again it is our nature which is binding us from inside and > >>> from > >>> outside also it is nature in the form of the environment , which of course > >>> include all beings , that binds us. > > >>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:54 AM, ashok tewari > >>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>> " ... if people can act freely and, in essence, act against His Will." > > >>>> Why does does it necessarily have to be AGAINST His will ? > > >>>> It might be a limitation of the human mind to conceive, but a man can > >>>> act all he can out of his free will but NOTHING will ever be against His > >>>> will i.e. His will includes ALL, the seeming for and the against too ! > > >>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Pat > >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>> On 13 Aug, 14:13, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > And I would of course deny all of this, yet if I do Pat would have it > >>>>> > that in fact I deny nowt and that God within is doing the denying, > >>>>> > however I can see contradiction here. > > >>>>> Just name the contradictions, then. You've nailed my response and my > >>>>> reasons for it. Is it just that you find it distasteful and demand > >>>>> that you have SOME power even in the face of Omnipotence? I find > >>>>> contradictions between 'free will' and Omnipotence. That is, God > >>>>> CAN'T be Omnipotent, if people can act freely and, in essence, act > >>>>> against His Will. If you can argue for Omnipotence and Free Will > >>>>> without dancing around that conundrum, I'm all ears. Otherwise, you > >>>>> end up having your free will but, in having it, you no longer have a > >>>>> God that is omnipotent and, therefore, not worthy of worship. Whilst > >>>>> I maintain an Omnipotent being and only have to submit to that which > >>>>> MUST have complete power anyway. And I can find NO contradictions in > >>>>> that. But, I'm all ears with respect to hearing an argument for both > >>>>> having an omnipotent God and people retaining free will. That is, > >>>>> I'll listen, but I've already outed the inherent contradiction in > >>>>> that, but I'm willing to listen to arguments that MAY discover a way > >>>>> around it. Lead on, MacDuff.... ;-) > > >>>>> > On 13 Aug, 14:02, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>> > > It's just as likely that you are controlled by your parents and > >>>>> > > thereafter the State. > > >>>>> > > On Aug 12, 11:47 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>> > > > I am this organism and was born, will live and die. Whatever I > >>>>> think , > >>>>> > > > feel and do is controlled by Nature , within me , and outside me. > >>>>> I > >>>>> > > > feel free because I am part of that Nature.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>> > - Show quoted text - > > >>>> -- > >>>> ASHOK TEWARI > > >> -- > >> ASHOK TEWARI > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > Be Paranoid. > > God is always building a better idiot!!! > > -- > ASHOK TEWARI- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
