You fail them or they fail you? Same or not the same?
On 18 Aug., 21:59, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Gabby...I have and continue to listen. So far as admirable as his > intentions are, they fail. > > On Aug 18, 12:35 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Try to listen to what Pat is saying, orn. Cause that's what his maths > > is all about. Bringing it from the plain inaccurate flatworld to > > vertical and other dimensions. > > > On 18 Aug., 19:18, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > As useful as math is for humans, the notion that “all of our reality > > > must be defined mathematically” is outdated and just plain inaccurate > > > … at least based upon our current level of mathematics. > > > > On Aug 18, 8:50 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I see what you're saying here Ash and can't help but think that all of > > > > our reality must be defined mathematically. If I fart in a public > > > > place and call the guy next me a nasty bastard, he'll denie that he > > > > passed gas. If I just shrug my shoulders and imply that I'm in fact > > > > the nasty basard who done the deed the effect is the same... everyone > > > > smells my stench and I'm still the nasty bastard. If you come to my > > > > house for dinner and lick the plate I would't think any less of you > > > > but please excuse yourself before passing gas or you will not be > > > > reinvited. No one wants to smell ass at the dinner table. The point is > > > > that we each have our own formula for relationships and when we > > > > process the information correctly the result comes out within > > > > reasonable tolerances. > > > > > On Aug 16, 2:48 am, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 8/9/2010 9:52 AM, Pat wrote: > > > > > > > I think that usage is not particularly scientific but more > > > > > > colloquial. Deane answer, below, is more the scientific view. > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > we must remember that "good person" couldn't possibly apply to those > > > > > > that are not "Homo Sapiens", yet evolution applies to ALL species. > > > > > > Thus, even if I train my dog to have perfect "Western" table > > > > > > manners, > > > > > > it's still not a 'good person'--might be a great dog and a helluva > > > > > > canine, but not a good person. And, of course, table manners are no > > > > > > show of evolution despite the fact that there are people who display > > > > > > them who feel that they are "a product of better breeding"; whereas, > > > > > > in truth, it might just be better 'training' (i.e., table manners is > > > > > > little more than 'stupid human tricks' and certainly doesn't > > > > > > demonstrate whether or not a person is 'good' or have any bearing on > > > > > > their evolution). As an aside to this and to link them together in > > > > > > a > > > > > > sideways kind of way, I suppose the habit that Englishmen have of > > > > > > 'holding the knife with the right hand' whether or not the > > > > > > individual > > > > > > is using it, MAY actually BE good evolution, as it affords them a > > > > > > better chance at defending themselves if attacked whilst eating!! > > > > > > I think this thread has covered habit, habitat and now habituation :), > > > > > and I agree often walking and talking like one may be a sign, but then > > > > > what is this 'duck' anyways? > > > > > > Surprise a southpaw might keep the knife in the right for more > > > > > practical > > > > > reasons, one might want to reserve the greatest asset to flexible use, > > > > > in a split second how many people will drop a knife for one of the > > > > > dozens of other effective weapons at a dinner table. Well the thought > > > > > crossed my mind recently when I wondered why I was cutting awkwardly > > > > > with my right. I switched for ease but was annoyed at the fact this > > > > > gave > > > > > away tactical information. After consideration I decided it is best to > > > > > keep a hot cup of coffee at the table, glass plates, and preferably a > > > > > table/chairs with wooden legs and not bolted to the floor. There's > > > > > large > > > > > numbers of people around, all pretending to be caught up in little > > > > > table-worlds, conspicuous consumption at it's best. Worst of all, I > > > > > can't lick my plate. :( I should stand up before leaving and do that > > > > > sometime just to see what it feels like, would I feel the cruching > > > > > anxiety of people judging me or would I feel free? I could think to > > > > > myself I feel free of judgement, while the onlookers would say look > > > > > what > > > > > society is devolving into. My secret is while most people would think > > > > > this doglike behavior, I have pride in it, I remember how little most > > > > > know of dogs (people, or reality) or what it is like to starve like > > > > > one. > > > > > Nothing directed at you personally Pat, just ranting somewhat in > > > > > context.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
