Perhaps the problem/issue is that I don't know for sure what you imply with "vertical and other dimensions" gabby. So, rather than continuing on with possible misunderstood philosophical and linguistic grounds with you, I'll await your clarification for me. Thanks.
On my part, I was assuming that Pat was looking for some sort of universal Truth and/or absolute...using the terms as well as I can. In was in this regard that I responded as I did above. On Aug 18, 1:18 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > You fail them or they fail you? Same or not the same? > > On 18 Aug., 21:59, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Gabby...I have and continue to listen. So far as admirable as his > > intentions are, they fail. > > > On Aug 18, 12:35 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Try to listen to what Pat is saying, orn. Cause that's what his maths > > > is all about. Bringing it from the plain inaccurate flatworld to > > > vertical and other dimensions. > > > > On 18 Aug., 19:18, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > As useful as math is for humans, the notion that “all of our reality > > > > must be defined mathematically” is outdated and just plain inaccurate > > > > … at least based upon our current level of mathematics. > > > > > On Aug 18, 8:50 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I see what you're saying here Ash and can't help but think that all of > > > > > our reality must be defined mathematically. If I fart in a public > > > > > place and call the guy next me a nasty bastard, he'll denie that he > > > > > passed gas. If I just shrug my shoulders and imply that I'm in fact > > > > > the nasty basard who done the deed the effect is the same... everyone > > > > > smells my stench and I'm still the nasty bastard. If you come to my > > > > > house for dinner and lick the plate I would't think any less of you > > > > > but please excuse yourself before passing gas or you will not be > > > > > reinvited. No one wants to smell ass at the dinner table. The point is > > > > > that we each have our own formula for relationships and when we > > > > > process the information correctly the result comes out within > > > > > reasonable tolerances. > > > > > > On Aug 16, 2:48 am, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On 8/9/2010 9:52 AM, Pat wrote: > > > > > > > > I think that usage is not particularly scientific but more > > > > > > > colloquial. Deane answer, below, is more the scientific view. > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > we must remember that "good person" couldn't possibly apply to > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > that are not "Homo Sapiens", yet evolution applies to ALL species. > > > > > > > Thus, even if I train my dog to have perfect "Western" table > > > > > > > manners, > > > > > > > it's still not a 'good person'--might be a great dog and a helluva > > > > > > > canine, but not a good person. And, of course, table manners are > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > show of evolution despite the fact that there are people who > > > > > > > display > > > > > > > them who feel that they are "a product of better breeding"; > > > > > > > whereas, > > > > > > > in truth, it might just be better 'training' (i.e., table manners > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > little more than 'stupid human tricks' and certainly doesn't > > > > > > > demonstrate whether or not a person is 'good' or have any bearing > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > their evolution). As an aside to this and to link them together > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > sideways kind of way, I suppose the habit that Englishmen have of > > > > > > > 'holding the knife with the right hand' whether or not the > > > > > > > individual > > > > > > > is using it, MAY actually BE good evolution, as it affords them a > > > > > > > better chance at defending themselves if attacked whilst eating!! > > > > > > > I think this thread has covered habit, habitat and now habituation > > > > > > :), > > > > > > and I agree often walking and talking like one may be a sign, but > > > > > > then > > > > > > what is this 'duck' anyways? > > > > > > > Surprise a southpaw might keep the knife in the right for more > > > > > > practical > > > > > > reasons, one might want to reserve the greatest asset to flexible > > > > > > use, > > > > > > in a split second how many people will drop a knife for one of the > > > > > > dozens of other effective weapons at a dinner table. Well the > > > > > > thought > > > > > > crossed my mind recently when I wondered why I was cutting awkwardly > > > > > > with my right. I switched for ease but was annoyed at the fact this > > > > > > gave > > > > > > away tactical information. After consideration I decided it is best > > > > > > to > > > > > > keep a hot cup of coffee at the table, glass plates, and preferably > > > > > > a > > > > > > table/chairs with wooden legs and not bolted to the floor. There's > > > > > > large > > > > > > numbers of people around, all pretending to be caught up in little > > > > > > table-worlds, conspicuous consumption at it's best. Worst of all, I > > > > > > can't lick my plate. :( I should stand up before leaving and do that > > > > > > sometime just to see what it feels like, would I feel the cruching > > > > > > anxiety of people judging me or would I feel free? I could think to > > > > > > myself I feel free of judgement, while the onlookers would say look > > > > > > what > > > > > > society is devolving into. My secret is while most people would > > > > > > think > > > > > > this doglike behavior, I have pride in it, I remember how little > > > > > > most > > > > > > know of dogs (people, or reality) or what it is like to starve like > > > > > > one. > > > > > > Nothing directed at you personally Pat, just ranting somewhat in > > > > > > context.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
