I am always glad to see the large area of agreement between our views, like a recognition of all that is, which is infinite. Relative and absolute, absolutely, my friend.
On Aug 25, 7:57 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 24 Aug, 15:08, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I should have included this text for you, Pat, and those who cannot > > follow the link: > > > "One thing science knows is that our experience is a construct. > > Sensory information is processed by the brain giving raise to our own > > experience. This construct appear to have shape color and solidity. > > What is the world out there actually like? > > > Physics show that when we look at matter it is mostly empty space. We > > therefore observe this ...nothingness and it is our mind that gives it > > the appearance of solidity. Which is the conclusions reached by > > mystics trough the ages. Maybe it is not a nonduality of matter but a > > nonduality of consciousness we should explore. > > > The new hard question is not how brain gives rise to consciousness but > > how do our minds take on all the different forms that we experience as > > reality? > > > The nondual perspective to this question is that all is one, there is > > no difference between form and emptiness, mind and matter. > > > Could this nondual prospective heal the split between science and > > spirituality?" > > Notice how the world is, rather quickly, readying itself for my book. > It's nice to see it won't come as such a blow to some, who will have > been waiting for a logical breakthrough in this area. > > > > > On Aug 24, 10:05 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ltZMVJPljg > > > > The new paradigm...or, not so new? > > > > On Aug 24, 7:56 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 21 Aug, 23:39, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > "... On Aug 20, 5:18 am, Pat <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: ..." > > > > > > > And I'd bet on the opposite happening. On that Last Day, the > > > > > > atheists > > > > > > will finally understand what a huge error they've made...but it will > > > > > > be too late to change their minds. Tell you what, if I'm right, > > > > > > we'll > > > > > > both be returning on that day and we'll see. If you're right, it > > > > > > simply won't matter as there will be no 'recall'. If we are > > > > > > resurrected, then you'll know. And we'll both be waiting. You wait > > > > > > and I'll wait. > > > > > > Ah well, you see Pat, you assume something about me based on my > > > > > admission I'm atheist that is not true. You assume that #1, there is > > > > > an end. I don't see that at all. It's more likely that life will go > > > > > on forever just changing form and substance as time flows by. You > > > > > also seem to assume that #2, if I'm right there will be no recall (or > > > > > afterlife). Nothing could be further from the truth. I do believe in > > > > > the possibility of life after death and even retaining individual > > > > > identity (as opposed to just a vast pool of undifferentiated > > > > > afterlife.) My belief is based in science alone: The laws of > > > > > conservation of matter and energy. It seems to me they pretty much > > > > > dictate that life or its energy will continue on after the > > > > > disintegration of this body in another form perhaps. My belief (or > > > > > perhaps it is a fervent hope) that it may be possible for an > > > > > individual human's energy (no other species) to retain its unique > > > > > identity simply based on my belief that human beings are the supreme > > > > > creatures in the Universe. Now some may consider this belief to be > > > > > as far-fetched as what I think belief in gods is, but that's all > > > > > right. The proof is in the pudding. > > > > > Well, I like your approach. Conservation of energy is very important > > > > and something many atheists don't consider in the way you do. It > > > > sounds to me like you allow for the possibility of a God, > > > > though...just that you aren't convinced or are of the strongly-leaning- > > > > towards-atheism-due-to-lack-of-evidence-otherwise, which is fair > > > > enough. However, what makes you think human beings are the supreme > > > > creatures of the universe? Why not dolphins? They don't have wars. > > > > I don't find your views far-fetched--certainly nowhere near as far- > > > > fetched as some people find mine. ;-)- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -
