Maybe on the outer fringes but the core will resist. There were many changes to Catholicism after Vatican I and II but overall it's still the same. I imagine that the idea of vernacular services, music venues at a mass and lax dress codes did attract some old and new congregates. I remember people talking way back about how things had changed. But essentially Catholicism is historically bound and unwavering. There are still Catholic churches that practice rigid traditional services with Latin as the linguistic preference and strict suit & tie for the men, no pants suits only dresses and a head covering for the women. So while some may change others will resist.
On Sep 6, 8:18 pm, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > To add, we should also challenge that there is little evidence to > suggest that any religion has (especially despite zealous > authoritarians) managed to resist the change of time. Culture, the > carrier and lens of religious symbols is under constant pressures of > change: convergence, assimilation, migrations, resource/environmental > stimulus, etc. The only timeless and/or stagnant regions appear to be > the universal human experiences, whereas in a changing world it too must > evolve or die. > > On 9/6/2010 8:02 PM, Slip Disc wrote: > > > Hi Frank, > > I don't know about the eccentricity Frank but I think you would agree > > that all religious people do to some extent live within a world, a > > shared world within the religious grouping, but still, irregardless > > are still separate and distinctly apart from the non-religious. I > > didn't start the thread to have fun. Has someone been having fun > > while I was away? I didn't think so, but for sure I was serious about > > my comments addressing religion as a failure and worse a continual > > influence on social dichotomy; basically religion has done nothing to > > unify except within each individual (splinter) group. > > . > > Before anything however, let me clarify............ > > > When we talk about religion I'm not referencing the people who > > gallantly endure hardship and sacrifice to help others in need. That, > > in and of itself is not a religious act but a humanitarian one and > > even with a claim of affiliation to a religious organization the act > > remains humanitarian. > > > The context in which I speak of religion should be more than evident. > > I see the core/root of the problem as conflict over the core/root of > > the opposing religions. > > > As far as modification, I would think religions can be modified but > > only for the portion of the global population that is religious to > > begin with. We are not going to attract non theists by modifying any > > religion. What my opening thread alludes to is - thousands of years > > of religion has culminated into something that is so totally bizarre > > and far removed from the core tenets of what it was intended to be. > > The claims some religions make are deeply rooted and beyond change. > > Fact is that for many religions just the mere thought of changing it > > is against the religious belief. With conjured places like Dante's > > Inferno it wouldn't be likely that anyone would consider going against > > their god. > > > Later, > > Sincerely, > > Serious Member, > > Slip Disc > > > On Sep 6, 5:26 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder<[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Slip Disc! > >> Do you think that all theist are eccentric and live in their own world > >> so to speak? > >> What would like to discuss here? Would you like to have fun with this > >> thread or would you rather have a serious conversation? > >> If you are looking for serious discussion, then one has got to admit > >> that religions are falling behind the rest of the world, just because > >> they cannot or are unwilling to change with time. I do not know where > >> changes in religions would take us; but I know that religions need to > >> be modified if they want to survive. > >> So, I would like to ask any serious member of Minds Eye group; > >> What do you think? > >> Can religions be modified? > >> My regards > >> Manfraco > > >> On Sep 7, 4:18 am, Slip Disc<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> So..why did the Obamas listen to Rev. Wright for 20 years??? > >>> Because they were black? ;-) > >>> Bravo rigs, a nice backlash! It took four posts and 19 minutes for > >>> you to get it all out though, stewing were you? > >>> I do appreciate the feed back, hoping for some more. It's really > >>> about the dilemma developing over the pin heads in Floriduh and the > >>> nut job jihadists. > >>> I guess as much as I have to agree with you concerning people being or > >>> acting religiously, I have to at least clarify that I was referring > >>> primarily to theistic religiosity. > >>> The pharmaceutical industry is one of the modern day deceptions that > >>> use us as guinea pigs for mostly experimental remedies. > >>> any other takers? > >>> On Sep 6, 10:01 am, rigsy03<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> On Sep 5, 12:51 pm, Slip Disc<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/08/muslim-relief-organizations-discrim... > >>>>> Questions: > >>>>> What is inhibiting the growth of civilization? > >>>>> What is the problem with people helping people in a disaster? > >>>>> What is the main wedge driving people apart in the world today? > >>>>> What is an obstacle in lending a hand to another human being? > >>>>> What is the basis of a holy war that is killing people? > >>>>> Why are people being denied humanitarian aid? > >>>>> Why is it that.........(fill in the blank)..........? > >>>>> Answer: > >>>>> Religion, here there and everywhere. > >>>>> "I've heard the call. I believe God wants me to run for > >>>>> President."...... > >>>>> Quote from GW Bush before he caused the slaughter of innocent people > >>>>> in Iraq. > >>>>>http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/06/iraq > >>>>> Excerpt: > >>>>> A major reason there are hundreds of thousands of dead innocent > >>>>> civilians in Iraq, and thousands more in Afghanistan, is because this > >>>>> is what we do. > >>>>> This is what we do in the name of god? > >>>>> In god we trust? > >>>>> Let's Pray..... "god help us".- Hide quoted text - > >>> - Show quoted text -
