It is interesting, in this thread, so many have taken the task to tell others how to express themselves. I have not found any problems with RPs posts (indeed, a great deal of understanding of the subject), and like gabby, don't think anyone should have to defend him, is there a gang forming here? Some of us make our sufi like responses, others make statements reflecting our views and give links with info to back them up. None of this is new and none of it is the basis for opposition. We are all free to express our views in any post within the parameters of the guidelines, and all free to choose not to post. But unless a moderator steps in with a reminder of the guidelines, anyone telling another what to say and how to act in here is just blowing in the wind.
In terms of the thread, these may be the very thoughts that plague our minds obsessively that we would be better off releasing than indulging in reaction. Thoughts about how the world comes up short, is disappointing, how others should be are all malignant ego, and if released, leave room within us for honest self examination. Levels of consciousness filled with thoughts of fear, anger, resentment etc multiply these thoughts exponentially and uncontrollably until our minds cannot turn off from them. Levels of consciousness filled with peace and quiet, compassion, love and gratitude allow us to better witness the process of thought and mind in consciousness. This kind of self examination cannot occur in the first mentioned level, and will inevitably occur in the second. Truth is, even the mystics will admit that it is human to move from state to state, and many suggest a spiral dynamic to the movement. On Sep 8, 12:05 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > Seems my vegetarian humor differs quite a bit from yours, Allan. ;-) > See what I was going to reply to Darkwater: > > I don't know why you are doing this, but I think RP can speak for > himself. Or shall I say: Let him speak for himself!? Watering down > everything to Ken Wilbur does not help to build the arc in time. He > says, his words are meant for people who want to understand them. Fair > enough. Take what you get and leave the rest behind is my advice to > you, Darkwater. > > On 8 Sep., 17:16, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > LOL Oddly I know exactly what he is saying from different sources. it has > > been rumbling around fo eons,, does not make it true and because some people > > make something dogma and doctrine of their beliefs still does not make it > > true. Some things are interesting to look at but then you let them go. To > > me far to many beliefs are based promoted and twisted by people to meat > > their own needs. > > Allan > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:43 PM, DarkwaterBlight > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > Oddly, I understand much of what RP is trying to express but it is > > > only on account of my relentless research into the subject of the > > > thread. Culturaly, here in the west, it is not generaly understood > > > that there are two truths, relative and ultimate. Relative truth can > > > be described by means of science and assetions can be made that > > > something is true or false under the conditions assigned. However, RP > > > speaks of ultimate truth and non dual spirit and in doing so, enters > > > into the realm of contradiction as the ultimate is empty of qualities > > > and categorizations. Ken Wilbur describes this as "The Two Truths > > > Doctrine" > > >http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/books/kosmos/excerptG/part1.cfm > > > > On Sep 8, 5:04 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Words hold so much truth and what we say is but the reflection of who we > > > are > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:20 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > My words are meant for people who want to understand them , for the > > > others > > > > > of your ilk they are just ramblings of a madman and so > > > > > this leaves me laughing and gives a smile > > > > I learned a long time ago from Kipling and others to even listen to the > > > > dull and ignorant for they to have their stories. > > > > Allan > > > > > Gruff , I ask you again to be happy as I did the last time when you > > > clashed > > > > > > with me. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:21 AM, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> "... On Sep 7, 9:33 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: ..." > > > > > >> > By using words like ' I believe' etc. doesn't make one 's words > > > less > > > > >> > arrogant. It is the content which matters. If you have made up your > > > mind > > > > >> to > > > > >> > find fault in me you will continue to do so on one pretext or the > > > other. > > > > >> > Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder and so does all else. > > > > > >> It is hoped that by use of such phrases over time a true respect for > > > > >> others will develop in other dimensions of your being. Your words > > > > >> do > > > > >> not show any such respect for anyone elses words but your own which > > > > >> you seem to hold in the highest esteem. Your words almost demand > > > > >> some > > > > >> form of worship just for you having said them. > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > Be Paranoid. > > God is always building a better idiot!!!
