Slip, may I ... ! Any ' conscious ' phenomenon could be :
- known and experientially liberating ( intellect ), - in a process between known and unknown and experientially confusing ( mind ), and - in a state less known and more unknown and experientially binding ( emotion ). And, *NO ONE* " spend their entire lives entrenched " or " are born, live and die in a complete state of anger." There are always nine other ' juices ' we ALL experience, more or less. Yes, more or less ! On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > but do understand that this is not a level of > consciousness for an expression of anger-mb > > I don't get this "anger is not a level of consciousness" when of > course it is a consciousness of anger in which some people spend their > entire lives entrenched in it. > > I think that you express out of your own personality which is the > platform from which you not only view but from which you standardize > the world and respond to it in that context, but it is not a general > rule. You can't state as if it is fact. > > Some people are born, live and die in a complete state of anger. For > some it is the extreme but still it is their level of consciousness > which they are confined to. > > On Sep 8, 3:18 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > got it. My point is, we are blowing, and the wind...no > > difference...but do understand that this is not a level of > > consciousness for an expression of anger, which would be a view of > > separation, so true. In which case...I wouldn't want any of that > > coming back to me. I often wonder if the person acting out anger is > > even aware of what comes back. > > > > On Sep 8, 3:18 pm, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > * smiling * The point, Molly, was it coming back on oneself. * tickled > * > > > > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I see your point, Vam. I didn't think the act made that much > > > > difference, but I suppose it could! > > > > > > On Sep 8, 2:43 pm, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > " ... blowing in the wind." > > > > > > > I suggest : ... spitting in th wind, for females. And : ... pissing > in > > > > the > > > > > wind, for males ! > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Molly <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > It is interesting, in this thread, so many have taken the task to > tell > > > > > > others how to express themselves. I have not found any problems > with > > > > > > RPs posts (indeed, a great deal of understanding of the subject), > and > > > > > > like gabby, don't think anyone should have to defend him, is > there a > > > > > > gang forming here? Some of us make our sufi like responses, > others > > > > > > make statements reflecting our views and give links with info to > back > > > > > > them up. None of this is new and none of it is the basis for > > > > > > opposition. We are all free to express our views in any post > within > > > > > > the parameters of the guidelines, and all free to choose not to > post. > > > > > > But unless a moderator steps in with a reminder of the > guidelines, > > > > > > anyone telling another what to say and how to act in here is just > > > > > > blowing in the wind. > > > > > > > > In terms of the thread, these may be the very thoughts that > plague our > > > > > > minds obsessively that we would be better off releasing than > indulging > > > > > > in reaction. Thoughts about how the world comes up short, is > > > > > > disappointing, how others should be are all malignant ego, and if > > > > > > released, leave room within us for honest self examination. > Levels of > > > > > > consciousness filled with thoughts of fear, anger, resentment etc > > > > > > multiply these thoughts exponentially and uncontrollably until > our > > > > > > minds cannot turn off from them. Levels of consciousness filled > with > > > > > > peace and quiet, compassion, love and gratitude allow us to > better > > > > > > witness the process of thought and mind in consciousness. This > kind > > > > > > of self examination cannot occur in the first mentioned level, > and > > > > > > will inevitably occur in the second. Truth is, even the mystics > will > > > > > > admit that it is human to move from state to state, and many > suggest a > > > > > > spiral dynamic to the movement. > > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 12:05 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Seems my vegetarian humor differs quite a bit from yours, > Allan. ;-) > > > > > > > See what I was going to reply to Darkwater: > > > > > > > > > I don't know why you are doing this, but I think RP can speak > for > > > > > > > himself. Or shall I say: Let him speak for himself!? Watering > down > > > > > > > everything to Ken Wilbur does not help to build the arc in > time. He > > > > > > > says, his words are meant for people who want to understand > them. > > > > Fair > > > > > > > enough. Take what you get and leave the rest behind is my > advice to > > > > > > > you, Darkwater. > > > > > > > > > On 8 Sep., 17:16, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > LOL Oddly I know exactly what he is saying from different > sources. > > > > it > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > been rumbling around fo eons,, does not make it true and > because > > > > some > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > make something dogma and doctrine of their beliefs still > does not > > > > make > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > true. Some things are interesting to look at but then you > let them > > > > go. > > > > > > To > > > > > > > > me far to many beliefs are based promoted and twisted by > people to > > > > meat > > > > > > > > their own needs. > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:43 PM, DarkwaterBlight < > > > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Oddly, I understand much of what RP is trying to express > but it > > > > is > > > > > > > > > only on account of my relentless research into the subject > of the > > > > > > > > > thread. Culturaly, here in the west, it is not generaly > > > > understood > > > > > > > > > that there are two truths, relative and ultimate. Relative > truth > > > > can > > > > > > > > > be described by means of science and assetions can be made > that > > > > > > > > > something is true or false under the conditions assigned. > > > > However, RP > > > > > > > > > speaks of ultimate truth and non dual spirit and in doing > so, > > > > enters > > > > > > > > > into the realm of contradiction as the ultimate is empty of > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > and categorizations. Ken Wilbur describes this as "The Two > Truths > > > > > > > > > Doctrine" > > > > > > > > > > http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/books/kosmos/excerptG/part1.cfm > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 5:04 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Words hold so much truth and what we say is but the > reflection > > > > of > > > > > > who we > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:20 AM, RP Singh < > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > My words are meant for people who want to understand > them , > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > of your ilk they are just ramblings of a madman and so > > > > > > > > > > > > this leaves me laughing and gives a smile > > > > > > > > > > I learned a long time ago from Kipling and others to > even > > > > listen > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > dull and ignorant for they to have their stories. > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > Gruff , I ask you again to be happy as I did the last > time when > > > > you > > > > > > > > > clashed > > > > > > > > > > > > > with me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:21 AM, gruff < > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "... On Sep 7, 9:33 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > ..." > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > By using words like ' I believe' etc. doesn't make > one > > > > 's > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > less > > > > > > > > > > >> > arrogant. It is the content which matters. If you > have > > > > made up > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > > > > >> > find fault in me you will continue to do so on one > pretext > > > > or > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > >> > Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder and so does > all > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> It is hoped that by use of such phrases over time a > true > > > > respect > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > >> others will develop in other dimensions of your being. > > > > Your > > > > > > words do > > > > > > > > > > >> not show any such respect for anyone elses words but > your > > > > own > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > >> you seem to hold in the highest esteem. Your words > almost > > > > > > demand some > > > > > > > > > > >> form of worship just for you having said them. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > > > > > > > > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted > text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > > > > > > God is always building a better idiot!!! > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ASHOK TEWARI > > > > > -- > > > ASHOK TEWARI > -- ASHOK TEWARI
