Thanks Gabby, I do. I also sift through a lot of information provided by different sources and take what I can use... the rest is moot to me. I don't think RP needs to be defended, I do think there is a cultural/philosophical misunderstanding though. I was merely identifying that and offering a possible solution, inadequate as it may be.
On Sep 8, 1:51 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > Just a slight twist of truth, Molly: I did not say that no one should > have to defend RP! I attacked Darkwater by giving him the advice to > shut up about this stupid Ken Wilbur and start thinking for himself! > > On 8 Sep., 19:14, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It is interesting, in this thread, so many have taken the task to tell > > others how to express themselves. I have not found any problems with > > RPs posts (indeed, a great deal of understanding of the subject), and > > like gabby, don't think anyone should have to defend him, is there a > > gang forming here? Some of us make our sufi like responses, others > > make statements reflecting our views and give links with info to back > > them up. None of this is new and none of it is the basis for > > opposition. We are all free to express our views in any post within > > the parameters of the guidelines, and all free to choose not to post. > > But unless a moderator steps in with a reminder of the guidelines, > > anyone telling another what to say and how to act in here is just > > blowing in the wind. > > > In terms of the thread, these may be the very thoughts that plague our > > minds obsessively that we would be better off releasing than indulging > > in reaction. Thoughts about how the world comes up short, is > > disappointing, how others should be are all malignant ego, and if > > released, leave room within us for honest self examination. Levels of > > consciousness filled with thoughts of fear, anger, resentment etc > > multiply these thoughts exponentially and uncontrollably until our > > minds cannot turn off from them. Levels of consciousness filled with > > peace and quiet, compassion, love and gratitude allow us to better > > witness the process of thought and mind in consciousness. This kind > > of self examination cannot occur in the first mentioned level, and > > will inevitably occur in the second. Truth is, even the mystics will > > admit that it is human to move from state to state, and many suggest a > > spiral dynamic to the movement. > > > On Sep 8, 12:05 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Seems my vegetarian humor differs quite a bit from yours, Allan. ;-) > > > See what I was going to reply to Darkwater: > > > > I don't know why you are doing this, but I think RP can speak for > > > himself. Or shall I say: Let him speak for himself!? Watering down > > > everything to Ken Wilbur does not help to build the arc in time. He > > > says, his words are meant for people who want to understand them. Fair > > > enough. Take what you get and leave the rest behind is my advice to > > > you, Darkwater. > > > > On 8 Sep., 17:16, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > LOL Oddly I know exactly what he is saying from different sources. it > > > > has > > > > been rumbling around fo eons,, does not make it true and because some > > > > people > > > > make something dogma and doctrine of their beliefs still does not make > > > > it > > > > true. Some things are interesting to look at but then you let them go. > > > > To > > > > me far to many beliefs are based promoted and twisted by people to meat > > > > their own needs. > > > > Allan > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:43 PM, DarkwaterBlight > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > Oddly, I understand much of what RP is trying to express but it is > > > > > only on account of my relentless research into the subject of the > > > > > thread. Culturaly, here in the west, it is not generaly understood > > > > > that there are two truths, relative and ultimate. Relative truth can > > > > > be described by means of science and assetions can be made that > > > > > something is true or false under the conditions assigned. However, RP > > > > > speaks of ultimate truth and non dual spirit and in doing so, enters > > > > > into the realm of contradiction as the ultimate is empty of qualities > > > > > and categorizations. Ken Wilbur describes this as "The Two Truths > > > > > Doctrine" > > > > >http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/books/kosmos/excerptG/part1.cfm > > > > > > On Sep 8, 5:04 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Words hold so much truth and what we say is but the reflection of > > > > > > who we > > > > > are > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:20 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > My words are meant for people who want to understand them , for > > > > > > > the > > > > > others > > > > > > > of your ilk they are just ramblings of a madman and so > > > > > > > this leaves me laughing and gives a smile > > > > > > I learned a long time ago from Kipling and others to even listen > > > > > > to the > > > > > > dull and ignorant for they to have their stories. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > Gruff , I ask you again to be happy as I did the last time when you > > > > > clashed > > > > > > > > with me. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:21 AM, gruff <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> "... On Sep 7, 9:33 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: ..." > > > > > > > >> > By using words like ' I believe' etc. doesn't make one 's > > > > > > >> > words > > > > > less > > > > > > >> > arrogant. It is the content which matters. If you have made up > > > > > > >> > your > > > > > mind > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > >> > find fault in me you will continue to do so on one pretext or > > > > > > >> > the > > > > > other. > > > > > > >> > Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder and so does all else. > > > > > > > >> It is hoped that by use of such phrases over time a true respect > > > > > > >> for > > > > > > >> others will develop in other dimensions of your being. Your > > > > > > >> words do > > > > > > >> not show any such respect for anyone elses words but your own > > > > > > >> which > > > > > > >> you seem to hold in the highest esteem. Your words almost > > > > > > >> demand some > > > > > > >> form of worship just for you having said them. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ( > > > > > > ) > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > > > > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
