Some people do live in a state of perpetual anger, it is true. There are states of consciousness where we recognize anger and let it go without externalizing, internalizing, identifying, projecting or any of the other ego function reactions to anger that would limit a persons state of consciousness to one where ego is master. I have experienced the recognition and release of anger while in a state of peace and joy. There is also an enormous amount of material written about these states of consciousness, some current, some ancient, and I have given many references over the years to them. All traditions, religions, philosophies, viewpoints are but languages. We communicate through verbal and non verbal language. When the communication is deeply intimate, no interpretation from one to the other is necessary. Our experience with others provides us myriad levels of intimacy in communication, some shallow and difficult to navigate because of barriers in understanding on many levels. Such is the diversity of life.
On Sep 8, 9:32 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > but do understand that this is not a level of > consciousness for an expression of anger-mb > > I don't get this "anger is not a level of consciousness" when of > course it is a consciousness of anger in which some people spend their > entire lives entrenched in it. > > I think that you express out of your own personality which is the > platform from which you not only view but from which you standardize > the world and respond to it in that context, but it is not a general > rule. You can't state as if it is fact. > > Some people are born, live and die in a complete state of anger. For > some it is the extreme but still it is their level of consciousness > which they are confined to. > > On Sep 8, 3:18 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > got it. My point is, we are blowing, and the wind...no > > difference...but do understand that this is not a level of > > consciousness for an expression of anger, which would be a view of > > separation, so true. In which case...I wouldn't want any of that > > coming back to me. I often wonder if the person acting out anger is > > even aware of what comes back. > > > On Sep 8, 3:18 pm, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > * smiling * The point, Molly, was it coming back on oneself. * tickled * > > > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I see your point, Vam. I didn't think the act made that much > > > > difference, but I suppose it could! > > > > > On Sep 8, 2:43 pm, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > " ... blowing in the wind." > > > > > > I suggest : ... spitting in th wind, for females. And : ... pissing in > > > > the > > > > > wind, for males ! > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > It is interesting, in this thread, so many have taken the task to > > > > > > tell > > > > > > others how to express themselves. I have not found any problems > > > > > > with > > > > > > RPs posts (indeed, a great deal of understanding of the subject), > > > > > > and > > > > > > like gabby, don't think anyone should have to defend him, is there a > > > > > > gang forming here? Some of us make our sufi like responses, others > > > > > > make statements reflecting our views and give links with info to > > > > > > back > > > > > > them up. None of this is new and none of it is the basis for > > > > > > opposition. We are all free to express our views in any post within > > > > > > the parameters of the guidelines, and all free to choose not to > > > > > > post. > > > > > > But unless a moderator steps in with a reminder of the guidelines, > > > > > > anyone telling another what to say and how to act in here is just > > > > > > blowing in the wind. > > > > > > > In terms of the thread, these may be the very thoughts that plague > > > > > > our > > > > > > minds obsessively that we would be better off releasing than > > > > > > indulging > > > > > > in reaction. Thoughts about how the world comes up short, is > > > > > > disappointing, how others should be are all malignant ego, and if > > > > > > released, leave room within us for honest self examination. Levels > > > > > > of > > > > > > consciousness filled with thoughts of fear, anger, resentment etc > > > > > > multiply these thoughts exponentially and uncontrollably until our > > > > > > minds cannot turn off from them. Levels of consciousness filled > > > > > > with > > > > > > peace and quiet, compassion, love and gratitude allow us to better > > > > > > witness the process of thought and mind in consciousness. This kind > > > > > > of self examination cannot occur in the first mentioned level, and > > > > > > will inevitably occur in the second. Truth is, even the mystics > > > > > > will > > > > > > admit that it is human to move from state to state, and many > > > > > > suggest a > > > > > > spiral dynamic to the movement. > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 12:05 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Seems my vegetarian humor differs quite a bit from yours, Allan. > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > See what I was going to reply to Darkwater: > > > > > > > > I don't know why you are doing this, but I think RP can speak for > > > > > > > himself. Or shall I say: Let him speak for himself!? Watering down > > > > > > > everything to Ken Wilbur does not help to build the arc in time. > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > says, his words are meant for people who want to understand them. > > > > Fair > > > > > > > enough. Take what you get and leave the rest behind is my advice > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > you, Darkwater. > > > > > > > > On 8 Sep., 17:16, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > LOL Oddly I know exactly what he is saying from different > > > > > > > > sources. > > > > it > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > been rumbling around fo eons,, does not make it true and because > > > > some > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > make something dogma and doctrine of their beliefs still does > > > > > > > > not > > > > make > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > true. Some things are interesting to look at but then you let > > > > > > > > them > > > > go. > > > > > > To > > > > > > > > me far to many beliefs are based promoted and twisted by people > > > > > > > > to > > > > meat > > > > > > > > their own needs. > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:43 PM, DarkwaterBlight < > > > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Oddly, I understand much of what RP is trying to express but > > > > > > > > > it > > > > is > > > > > > > > > only on account of my relentless research into the subject of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > thread. Culturaly, here in the west, it is not generaly > > > > understood > > > > > > > > > that there are two truths, relative and ultimate. Relative > > > > > > > > > truth > > > > can > > > > > > > > > be described by means of science and assetions can be made > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > something is true or false under the conditions assigned. > > > > However, RP > > > > > > > > > speaks of ultimate truth and non dual spirit and in doing so, > > > > enters > > > > > > > > > into the realm of contradiction as the ultimate is empty of > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > and categorizations. Ken Wilbur describes this as "The Two > > > > > > > > > Truths > > > > > > > > > Doctrine" > > > > > > > > >http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/books/kosmos/excerptG/part1.cfm > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 5:04 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Words hold so much truth and what we say is but the > > > > > > > > > > reflection > > > > of > > > > > > who we > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:20 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > My words are meant for people who want to understand them > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > of your ilk they are just ramblings of a madman and so > > > > > > > > > > > this leaves me laughing and gives a smile > > > > > > > > > > I learned a long time ago from Kipling and others to even > > > > listen > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > dull and ignorant for they to have their stories. > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > Gruff , I ask you again to be happy as I did the last time > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > you > > > > > > > > > clashed > > > > > > > > > > > > with me. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:21 AM, gruff > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> "... On Sep 7, 9:33 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > ..." > > > > > > > > > > > >> > By using words like ' I believe' etc. doesn't make > > > > > > > > > > >> > one > > > > 's > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > less > > > > > > > > > > >> > arrogant. It is the content which matters. If you have > > > > made up > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > > > > >> > find fault in me you will continue to do so on one > > > > > > > > > > >> > pretext > > > > or > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > >> > Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder and so does all > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > >> It is hoped that by use of such phrases over time a true > > > > respect > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > >> others will develop in other dimensions of your being. > > > > Your > > > > > > words do > > > > > > > > > > >> not show any such respect for anyone elses words but your > > > > own > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > >> you seem to hold in the highest esteem. Your words > > > > > > > > > > >> almost > > > > > > demand some > > > > > > > > > > >> form of worship just for you having said them. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > > > > > > > > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > > > > > > God is always building a better idiot!!! > > > > > > -- > > > > > ASHOK TEWARI > > > > -- > > > ASHOK TEWARI
