Great stuff, Gruff ... even though I'll have to read through it more
slowly and carefully than I've just had the time to do now.

Do I have your permission to quote some of this (without financial
interest and giving you as my source)?

Francis

On Sep 11, 8:43 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
> I can easily understand the animosity being felt toward debt -- any
> kind of debt -- at the moment.  It wasn't that long ago that even
> being in debt was considered sinful and immoral and interest rates
> above a single digit minimum were usury and illegal.  There was a
> shame attached to being in debt and worse should someone file
> bankruptcy.
>
> But these are different times and different systems and those feelings
> are not necessarily valid.  To understand our economic system requires
> a little history.  We set up the Federal Reserve System in the early
> 20th century in reaction to the crash of '28 and in anticipation of
> putting aside the gold standard of currency and letting its value
> float freely, it was designed to be an independent regulatory system
> that would be a control over the economy by setting the prime rate and
> printing money.
>
> Other developed nations did the same thing.  Then in 1971 we and the
> rest of the world left the gold standard and everyone's currency and
> investments were valued at the market.  Well, being the biggest,
> baddest and wealthiest, the U.S. became the standard for the world.
> Everyone's currency was valued in dollars and we enjoyed that
> status.
>
> This set the free market economy loose in a way that gold never
> could.  There was only so much gold and finding more and processing it
> was becoming harder and more expensive.  It was an anchor on a global
> economy that was chomping at the bit, wanting to be set loose.  And it
> did fine.  The wealth of the U.S. and the world, measured in it's
> productivity or Gross Domestic Product grew rapidly.
>
> In 1973, just two years after we left the gold standard, the global
> GDP was more than $16 trillion and just last year had more than
> quadrupled to $75 trillion.  That's more than 400% return in just two
> years.
>
> Of the trillion dollar economies in the world, the U.S. still ranks
> first at $14 tn, followed closely by China with $8 tn. Next comes
> Japan ($4 tn), India ($3.4 tn), Germany ($2.7 tn) the United Kingdom
> ($2.1 tn), Russia ($2.1 tn) and France ($2 tn) followed by the rest of
> the nearly two hundred nations which figure prominently in the global
> economy.
>
> But as it is with our species, we tend to go to extremes and have a
> larcenous nature.  That our new found wealth was based on a fiat
> currency, as some sneeringly call it, and it's true to a degree, but
> that fictional currency the Fed seems to print so freely, still buys
> hard goods and services.
>
> Banks became so wealthy they started to loan money to anyone at
> anytime for anything and threw in credit cards just to make it
> easier.  And we all followed that unentitled exuberance right into two
> wars and the biggest debt we've ever had (dollarwise, that is.
> Compared to the GDP we were in deeper after WWII).  We now found we'd
> mortgaged all our assets many times their real value and overall, we
> -- government, business and individuals alike -- were in debt an
> average of three times our annual incomes.
>
> Like all card houses they must eventually fall and Bang! -- in late
> 2007 fall it did.  Or the bubble popped.  However you prefer to look
> at it, it's still the same event.  All that over-extended debt came
> due and the bill couldn't be paid.  The first thing to fall were
> property values since that was where most value and debt lay.  Since
> '07 property values have fallen 25% to 40% depending on location.
> Then the investments based on those mortgages began to fall because
> they'd been leveraged into thin air.   But this is not a real fall or
> loss of value in that the perceived and actual value didn't exist.  It
> had been leveraged into thin air.  People were losing what they never
> really had.
>
> By mid 2008 the banks and investment houses which had trillions
> invested and at risk in these highly leveraged and worthless
> investments were coming apart.  Lehman Brothers, a 130 year old and
> respected investment house went bankrupt overnight.  This was when it
> became clear that the banks were next to fall since a lot of their
> balance sheet assets were tied up in these risky and now worthless
> investments.
>
> This scared the hell out of a lot of the people at the top because if
> the banks failed, then we'd really be back in the dark ages.  There'd
> be no economy, no trade, no business, no goods or services, nothing.
> So to save economy it became necessary to save the banks immediately
> just to keep the world economy moving.  We could not let it stall.  An
> economy needs momentum to stay alive.  Fortunately most of the movers
> and shakers of the world recognized this crisis and responded
> appropriately -- borrowing money to shore up the banks.
>
> Unfortunately fear of collapse scared most of the middle and lower
> classes in the wrong direction.  They railed against saving the banks
> and begged the government to give the money to Main St., as it was
> euphamized, rather than Wall St.  They were not sufficiently educated
> to see what had to come first and were reacting emotionally.  So the
> first TARP funds -- remember? Troubled Asset Relief Program  -- helped
> the banks stay out of bankruptcy.  Unfortunately the lower case fears
> kept the recovery and next stimulus too small to do the job properly,
> so we've still got falling values and high unemployment.
>
> Without spending we've taken the slow road to recovery which may last
> ten years while increasing the spending -- and yes, that means
> increasing the debt as well -- would have brought us out of this hole
> in maybe two or three years and back to full employment (4%).
>
> But the question is about debt.  Many people see the growing national
> debt -- the amount of money we are borrowing via bond purchases and
> printing money -- as an albatross around the necks of the next two or
> three generations.  This is a common perspective if debt is not seen
> in its proper perspective.  Remember, we cut loose from gold in 1971,
> so there isn't a $10 trillion lump of the metal hanging around our
> necks dragging us down.
>
> Our currency and it's value is based roughly on how much we produce in
> goods and services each year.  Since we still have 91.5% of our
> workforce actively producing and earning and most all the rest of us
> still consuming, our annual GDP has not dropped below $14 trillion
> during the recession.
>
> So we're standing here now with at worst a $10 trillion debt and
> earning $14 trillion a year.  That debt doesn't look so bad now, does
> it?  Debt is generally meaningless in and of itself.  It only takes on
> meaning when compared to and balanced with other economic factors.
>
> Other economic factors that can reduce the value of a debt are the
> growth of the economy which reduces the value of the debt
> proportionally; an increase in debt owed to us also reduces our own
> debt directly; debt can be rolled over numerous times and over time
> the principle can actually disappear with growth of the economy; debt
> can and is quite frequently forgiven for political purposes; and the
> value of a currency can appreciate so much that it takes but a small
> amount to retire debt.
>
> So in a fiat economy such as we have, it can truthfully be said that
> the economy is a fiction -- i.e., the value we give our currency is
> arbitrary and fluctuates constantly.  So if our currency is a fiction,
> doesn't it follow that our debt is a fiction as well?
>
> All of this is then good reason to spend our way out of the recession
> and let the debt be serviced over time in the best way possible while
> we crank up the economy and go along our merry way creating more
> goods, services and wealth for most all of us.
>
> A free market capitalist system of economics works.  What ruins it
> each time is human failure -- incompetence, ignorance, greed, envy and
> lust.
>
> One more thing I'd like to say about our economy.  We can bitch and
> moan and groan about the top 2% and how they control us and want to
> rule the world, but the fact is that while the do rule the world --
> when you have most of the money in the world you can pretty much do as
> you please -- they are helpless without the rest of us.  Any economy
> works from the top down and those at the base are the ultimate
> consumers -- the ones who work to earn then spend.  Without a consumer
> base there is nothing to be at the top of.   The elite actually need
> us more than we need them.  Consumer power is just beginning to come
> to the fore.
>
> With all due regard for having to plow through my words,
>
> /e

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