Yes, you do, orn. You argue along the same yes/no line. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:46 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected] > wrote:
> Accepting the notion of sin/salvation seems to be necessary for > current day biblical dogma to make sense. Am I missing something > there? Oh, and I don't accept said notion. > > On Nov 16, 11:54 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > every generation has its teachers and false teachers, prophets and false > > prophets. > > personally I am not into bible thumpers. > > Allan > > > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:24 PM, pathfinder <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just like in the days of Noah, shall the days be when the Son of Man > > > is revealed. Noah's message was strange and inconceivable. Jesus spoke > > > of this in Luke 17:26> "And as it was in the days of No'e, so shall it > > > be also in the days of the Son of man." The warning is also in the > > > numbers: 8 souls saved. > > > Isaiah 29:10> "For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of > > > deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, > > > the seers hath he covered. > (11)- And the visioin of all has is > > > become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men > > > deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he > > > saith, I cannot: for it is sealed:> (12)- And the book is delivered to > > > him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, > > > I am not learned.> (13)- Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this > > > people draw near me with their mouth, and their lips do honour me, but > > > have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is > > > taught by the precept of men:> (14)- Therefore, behold, I will proced > > > to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and a > > > wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the > > > understanding of their prudent men shall be > > > hid." > > > Now tell me, If the leaders and the prophets have been blinded by God, > > > how could one logically expect God to be there passing out sights and > > > visions? God speaks for himself. We just have to learn to listen and > > > apply. > > > On Nov 16, 8:50 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Let us all be damned! If reading this kind of rubbish is conditional > > > > to being saved, then I don't want to be ... > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > On 16 Nov., 17:37, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Spam spam I call spam! > > > > > > > On Nov 16, 4:23 pm, edward mason <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > > > > Date: Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:12 AM > > > > > > Subject: Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word document.doc > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > I've shared Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word > > > > > > document.doc< > > >https://docs.google.com/document/d/1epTOPsmbeL_wmUUDCeJdwQaM4totpYZjG.. > .> > > > > > > Click to open: > > > > > > > > - Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word > > > > > > document.doc< > > >https://docs.google.com/document/d/1epTOPsmbeL_wmUUDCeJdwQaM4totpYZjG.. > .> > > > > > > > > LAST DAY PROPHECIES THAT FIT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE PRESENT > DAY > > > > > > > > “THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS THE SWORD” > > > > > > > > Revelation 12:17 “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and > went > > > to > > > > > > make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the > commandments of > > > God, > > > > > > and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” > > > > > > > > Revelation 19:10 “And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he > said > > > unto > > > > > > me,’ see thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy > brothren > > > > > > that have > > > > > > the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus > is > > > the > > > > > > spirit of Prophecy.” > > > > > > > > So then, it should be noteworthy that there are differences > between > > > the > > > > > > ‘Testimony of Jesus the Christ’, and the testimony of another > that > > > ‘Jesus is > > > > > > the Christ’. For there are words in some of Jesus’ sayings that > would > > > > > > indicate that there will be those in the last days, though being > able > > > to > > > > > > testify that Jesus is the Christ, will be shut out of the kingdom > of > > > Heaven. > > > > > > > > Luke 13:26 “Then shall ye begin to say, ‘We have eaten and drunk > in > > > thy > > > > > > presence, and thou hast taught in our streets’.” > > > > > > > > Luke 13:27 “ But he shall say, ’I tell you, I know not whence ye > are; > > > depart > > > > > > from me, all ye workers of iniquity’. “ > > > > > > > > Luke 6:46 “ And why call ye me, Lord, and do not the things > which I > > > say?” > > > > > > > > A testimony is the witnessing one gives from his collection of > > > evidence > > > > > > and experiences. What man testify to is one thing: that Jesus is > the > > > Supreme > > > > > > Sacrifice, the Savior, the Prince of Peace, and the Repairer of > the > > > Breach, > > > > > > is one thing; But what Jesus testify to leads to the Salvation of > the > > > Soul, > > > > > > the Way to God, Eternal Light and Life. As unfortunate as it may > > > appear at > > > > > > first, upon hearing Jesus’ testimony for the very first time, it > > > would be > > > > > > wise to bear in mind that the whole is God’s plan for Salvation. > We > > > have all > > > > > > transgressed the Laws of God, and the wages of sin is death. > > > Wherefore, to > > > > > > be placed under a period of judgment, with an opportunity to > repent, > > > have a > > > > > > change of heart, and then be removed from judgment to Eternal > Life, > > > is truly > > > > > > the Mercy and Righteousness of God. While to remain ignorant in > the > > > face of > > > > > > Truth and Word of God makes us guilty in the Blood- shed of all > the > > > Holy > > > > > > People. > > > > > > > > But then, that’s my testimony. And who am I, but a sinner, and > > > another who > > > > > > have fallen short of the Glory of God? Yet in my search, I > knocked, > > > and some > > > > > > doors opened up. Now I have the duty to testify; to try to show > some > > > things > > > > > > that I’ve seen behind some of those doors: to describe the Light > I > > > saw at > > > > > > the end of that long, narrow tunnel. I must share what I hear and > the > > > > > > understandings of my heart. I bring for my witnesses the words of > > > God. > > > > > > > > Man rebelled ever against God. God spoke, “ Repent and return > to > > > me, and > > > > > > I’ll send you healing, peace, and plenty. Continue to rebel and > > > transgress, > > > > > > death, the sword, and desolation shall be your reward.” Man > (male > > > and > > > > > > female) never repented. How is it, then, that man concluded that > God > > > changed > > > > > > his mind and sent us a savior, when he promised us a sword? I > > > choose to > > > > > > believe the Testimony of Jesus, above the testimony of man. Why? > > > Because the > > > > > > testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy, and the Prophecies > have > > > > > > history and the present confirming their Truth, even to the > letter. > > > > > > > > It is evident that where there appear to be gaps in them, it > is > > > due to > > > > > > our mistakens, misapplications, and grave misinterpretations. As > > > the > > > > > > prophecy says; > > > > > > > > Isaiah 34:16 “ Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and read: no > one > > > of > > > > > > these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath > > > commanded, > > > > > > and his spirit it hath gathered them.” > > > > > > > > Isaiah 28:9 “Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he > make > > > to > > > > > > understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and > drawn > > > from the > > > > > > breasts.”... ( Note: Isaiah 7:22> “And it shall come to pass, > for > > > the > > > > > > abundance of milk that they shall give he shall eat butter: for > > > butter and > > > > > > honey shall every one eat that is left in the land.” ) > > > > > > > > Isaiah 28:10 “ For precept must be on precept, precept upon > precept; > > > line > > > > > > upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: > > > > > > > > Isaiah 28:11 “ For with stammering lips and another tongue will > he > > > speak to > > > > > > this people.” > > > > > > > > Isaiah 28:12 “ For whom he said, ‘ This is the rest where with ye > may > > > cause > > > > > > the weary to rest: and this is the refreshing’. “ > > > > > > > > With these things in mind, let’s consider some of Jesus’ > testimony > > > as > > > > > > written: > > > > > > > > Mathew 5:17 “ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the > > > prophets: > > > > > > (spirit of Prophecy) > > > > > > > > I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill (them).” > > > > > > > > John 5:39 “ Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have > > > eternal > > > > > > life: and they are which testify of me.” > > > > > > > > Mathew 10:34 “ Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I > > > came not > > > > > > to send peace, but a sword.” > > > > > > > > Luke 12:49 “ I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I > if > > > it be > > > > > > already kindled?” > > > > > > > > Now here’s a prophecy which we wrestle with needlessly: Jesus > > > mentions it > > > > > > in Mathew 13:9-17. One reason that we have so much trouble with > this > > > one is > > > > > > because we have not heard the Word and we like the comfort > provided > > > by our > > > > > > own understanding even though the land remain desolate and we > burn in > > > the > > > > > > fierce anger of the Lord. The other reason is because it is the > Will > > > of God > > > > > > that we remain under judgment until he has executed it in full. > The > > > prophecy > > > > > > mentioned is: > > > > > > > > Isaiah 6:9-12 “ And he said, go and tell these people, hear ye > > > indeed, but > > > > > > understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. > > > > > > > > Isaiah 6:10 “Make the heart of these people fat, and make their > ears > > > heavy, > > > > > > and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with > > > their > > > > > > ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be > healed. > > > > > > > > Isaiah 6:11 “Then said I, ‘ Lord, How long?’ and he answered, > until > > > the > > > > > > cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, > and > > > the > > > > > > land be utterly desolate,” > > > > > > > > Isaiah 6:12 “ And the Lord have removed men far away, and there > be a > > > great > > > > > > forsaking in the midst of the land.” > > > > > > > > We can find corresponding prophecies of this of Isaiah through > out > > > the > > > > > > other Books of the Prophets and in many cases, especially in > Isaiah > > > and > > > > > > Jeremiah, the prophecies which relate to the coming and duty of > Jesus > > > is > > > > > > repeated several times in different chapters, of each book of the > > > prophets. > > > > ... > > > > read more »
