Interesting Edward, so you are saying your heart aka the heart of man is fully set upon doing evil ( contrary to the mystic laws)." Please explain to me why you are "fully set upon doing evil"? I hope you do not give a bunch of bible quotes but rather in your own words. Allan
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 5:29 AM, pathfinder <[email protected]>wrote: > I see sin as a concept that has been abused, misused, but never really > understood. I see it as a violation of any of those controlling > factors which we commonly refer to as 'laws'. Some of those we adapt > to early; like those of gravity, force, the elements, etc., because > the results of the violations are immediate. Still, on a higher level > the results are more subtle, and takes more time for the cosmos to > render the prefect vibrations. Wherefore, we continue until we get the > over-load, a lot of the times. Thus, the bible verse, 'Because the > judgement of the Lord is not executed speedily, the heart of man is > fully set upon doing evil ( contrary to the mystic laws)." So what we > would finish with would be relationship and not religion. A hamonious > relationship with the Laws natural to the earth/heaven factors. Then > the nations could use the soldiers on the farms, the polices building > structures, the politians, well,they still might need something that > they don't have to think about. We can defy some of these laws to a > certain extent, but we can't defeat any of them. Seeming to ignore > them is not a form of defeat. If one ever learn to live in that > hormony he don't want any of those laws defeated no way. The solution, > then becomes, too easy. With the magnitude of some of the problems in > this world, seems like nothing short of a major catastrophy on a > global scale could even come close to having some effect. May be true, > but, that catastrophy need be applied only to the old systems of > thoughts, produceing behavior. > > On Nov 20, 6:23 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > Gabbers, while I may have discussed about yes/no issues, the notion of > > sin is not one of them. I do not accept the notion of sin. > > > > On Nov 17, 4:06 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes, you do, orn. You argue along the same yes/no line. > > > > > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:46 PM, ornamentalmind < > [email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Accepting the notion of sin/salvation seems to be necessary for > > > > current day biblical dogma to make sense. Am I missing something > > > > there? Oh, and I don't accept said notion. > > > > > > On Nov 16, 11:54 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > every generation has its teachers and false teachers, prophets and > false > > > > > prophets. > > > > > personally I am not into bible thumpers. > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:24 PM, pathfinder < > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > Just like in the days of Noah, shall the days be when the Son of > Man > > > > > > is revealed. Noah's message was strange and inconceivable. Jesus > spoke > > > > > > of this in Luke 17:26> "And as it was in the days of No'e, so > shall it > > > > > > be also in the days of the Son of man." The warning is also in > the > > > > > > numbers: 8 souls saved. > > > > > > Isaiah 29:10> "For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit > of > > > > > > deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your > rulers, > > > > > > the seers hath he covered. > (11)- And the visioin of all has is > > > > > > become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men > > > > > > deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: > and he > > > > > > saith, I cannot: for it is sealed:> (12)- And the book is > delivered to > > > > > > him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he > saith, > > > > > > I am not learned.> (13)- Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as > this > > > > > > people draw near me with their mouth, and their lips do honour > me, but > > > > > > have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is > > > > > > taught by the precept of men:> (14)- Therefore, behold, I will > proced > > > > > > to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work > and a > > > > > > wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the > > > > > > understanding of their prudent men shall be > > > > > > hid." > > > > > > Now tell me, If the leaders and the prophets have been blinded by > God, > > > > > > how could one logically expect God to be there passing out sights > and > > > > > > visions? God speaks for himself. We just have to learn to listen > and > > > > > > apply. > > > > > > On Nov 16, 8:50 am, frantheman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Let us all be damned! If reading this kind of rubbish is > conditional > > > > > > > to being saved, then I don't want to be ... > > > > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > > > > On 16 Nov., 17:37, "[email protected]" < > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Spam spam I call spam! > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 16, 4:23 pm, edward mason <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:12 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word document.doc > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > I've shared Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word > > > > > > > > > document.doc< > > > > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1epTOPsmbeL_wmUUDCeJdwQaM4totpYZjG.. > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > Click to open: > > > > > > > > > > > - Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word > > > > > > > > > document.doc< > > > > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1epTOPsmbeL_wmUUDCeJdwQaM4totpYZjG.. > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > LAST DAY PROPHECIES THAT FIT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE > PRESENT > > > > DAY > > > > > > > > > > > “THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS THE SWORD” > > > > > > > > > > > Revelation 12:17 “And the dragon was wroth with the > woman, and > > > > went > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the > > > > commandments of > > > > > > God, > > > > > > > > > and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” > > > > > > > > > > > Revelation 19:10 “And I fell at his feet to worship him. > And he > > > > said > > > > > > unto > > > > > > > > > me,’ see thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of > thy > > > > brothren > > > > > > > > > that have > > > > > > > > > the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of > Jesus > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > spirit of Prophecy.” > > > > > > > > > > > So then, it should be noteworthy that there are > differences > > > > between > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > ‘Testimony of Jesus the Christ’, and the testimony of > another > > > > that > > > > > > ‘Jesus is > > > > > > > > > the Christ’. For there are words in some of Jesus’ sayings > that > > > > would > > > > > > > > > indicate that there will be those in the last days, though > being > > > > able > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > testify that Jesus is the Christ, will be shut out of the > kingdom > > > > of > > > > > > Heaven. > > > > > > > > > > > Luke 13:26 “Then shall ye begin to say, ‘We have eaten and > drunk > > > > in > > > > > > thy > > > > > > > > > presence, and thou hast taught in our streets’.” > > > > > > > > > > > Luke 13:27 “ But he shall say, ’I tell you, I know not > whence ye > > > > are; > > > > > > depart > > > > > > > > > from me, all ye workers of iniquity’. “ > > > > > > > > > > > Luke 6:46 “ And why call ye me, Lord, and do not the > things > > > > which I > > > > > > say?” > > > > > > > > > > > A testimony is the witnessing one gives from his > collection of > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > > and experiences. What man testify to is one thing: that > Jesus is > > > > the > > > > > > Supreme > > > > > > > > > Sacrifice, the Savior, the Prince of Peace, and the > Repairer of > > > > the > > > > > > Breach, > > > > > > > > > is one thing; But what Jesus testify to leads to the > Salvation of > > > > the > > > > > > Soul, > > > > > > > > > the Way to God, Eternal Light and Life. As unfortunate as > it may > > > > > > appear at > > > > > > > > > first, upon hearing Jesus’ testimony for the very first > time, it > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > wise to bear in mind that the whole is God’s plan for > Salvation. > > > > We > > > > > > have all > > > > > > > > > transgressed the Laws of God, and the wages of sin is > death. > > > > > > Wherefore, to > > > > > > > > > be placed under a period of judgment, with an opportunity > to > > > > repent, > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > change of heart, and then be removed from judgment to > Eternal > > > > Life, > > > > > > is truly > > > > > > > > > the Mercy and Righteousness of God. While to remain > ignorant in > > > > the > > > > > > face of > > > > > > > > > Truth and Word of God makes us guilty in the Blood- shed of > all > > > > the > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > People. > > > > > > > > > > > But then, that’s my testimony. And who am I, but a > sinner, and > > > > > > another who > > > > > > > > > have fallen short of the Glory of God? Yet in my search, I > > > > knocked, > > > > > > and some > > > > > > > > > doors opened up. Now I have the duty to testify; to try to > show > > > > some > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > that I’ve seen behind some of those doors: to describe the > Light > > > > I > > > > > > saw at > > > > > > > > > the end of that long, narrow tunnel. I must share what I > hear and > > > > the > > > > > > > > > understandings of my heart. I bring for my witnesses the > words of > > > > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > Man rebelled ever against God. God spoke, “ Repent and > return > > > > to > > > > > > me, and > > > > > > > > > I’ll send you healing, peace, and plenty. Continue to rebel > and > > > > > > transgress, > > > > > > > > > death, the sword, and desolation shall be your reward.” > Man > > > > (male > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > female) never repented. How is it, then, that man concluded > that > > > > God > > > > > > changed > > > > > > > > > his mind and sent us a savior, when he promised us a > sword? I > > > > > > choose to > > > > > > > > > believe the Testimony of Jesus, above the testimony of man. > Why? > > > > > > Because the > > > > > > > > > testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy, and the > Prophecies > > > > have > > > > > > > > > history and the present confirming their Truth, even to the > > > > letter. > > > > > > > > > > > It is evident that where there appear to be gaps in > them, it > > > > is > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > our mistakens, misapplications, and grave > misinterpretations. As > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > prophecy says; > > > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 34:16 “ Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and > read: no > > > > one > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it > hath > > > > > > commanded, > > > > > > > > > and his spirit it hath gathered them.” > > > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 28:9 “Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall > he > > > > make > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, > and > > > > drawn > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > breasts.”... ( Note: Isaiah 7:22> “And it shall come to > pass, > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > abundance of milk that they shall give he shall eat butter: > for > > > > > > butter and > > > > > > > > > honey shall every one eat that is left in the land.” ) > > > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 28:10 “ For precept must be on precept, precept upon > > > > precept; > > > > > > line > > > > > > > > > upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a > little: > > > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 28:11 “ For with stammering lips and another tongue > will > > > > he > > > > > > speak to > > > > > > > > > this people.” > > > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 28:12 “ For whom he said, ‘ This is the rest where > with ye > > > > may > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > the weary to rest: and this is the refreshing’. “ > > > > > > > > > > > With these things in mind, let’s consider some of Jesus’ > > > > testimony > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > written: > > > > > > > > > > > Mathew 5:17 “ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, > or the > > > > > > prophets: > > > > > > > > > (spirit of Prophecy) > > > > > > > > > > > I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill (them).” > > > > > > > > > > > John 5:39 “ Search > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > -- ( ) I_D Allan Be Paranoid. God is always building a better idiot!!!
