On Dec 31 2010, 3:27 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > The problem Pat is not the pharaohs time and place in the history time > line,, but rather the question of what happened to the gold. It has been > more than proven that the Hebrews did not built the pyramids. as Gold was > not a standard for exchange,,it does not seem to show back up in the nile > region after it was removed by tomb robbers.. but it should show up some > where in the ancient world. > Allan >
Well, who conquered Egypt? Alexander! I can't imagine there wasn't an exchange, of sorts, at that time and, perhaps tribute to Greece afterwards. Then, of course, Rome. I still think that the Carthaginians may have been involved somewhere along the line, too. > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Pat <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Dec 30, 10:06 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Sorry pat you need to redo your history a bit I don't buy the lies of > > > jewish (hebrew) history.. It is strange that the archology is not > > verifying > > > your concept. > > > Alexander only played a minor role the last four hundred years. Tomb > > robbing > > > occurred through out egyptian history but the gold did not show up among > > the > > > general population,, which whould imply it was stolen by outsiders. > > > Allan > > > What I put forward regarding the Pharoah at the time of Moses has > > nothing to do with Jewish/Hebrew history but modern research. I'm > > absolutely convinced that it was Amenhotep III, as no other scenario > > even comes close to aking sense; it even fits in closer to the > > Santorini explosion because it's closer to mid-second millenium BCE > > than the Ramesses/Seti/Ramesses scenario. > > > As for the gold...I could only guess. If I guessed incorrectly as to > > how it may have moved about, I don't reckon I'll lose much sleep over > > it. Probably because one thing's for sure...NONE of it reached MY > > pocket. ;-) > > > As far as 'outsiders' go, though, how about the Carthaginians? They > > were nearby and rather formidible; it's possible they raided a bit. I > > don't think the Hittites reached THAT far south, so I think we can > > rule them out. But we KNOW that several tombs had already been > > raided, as the evidence of previous plunder was obvious on their re- > > discovery. As for the MAIN cahes of gold, heck, I still say it's > > anybody's guess and that's all I was putting forward...my guesses. > > Crikey, we can barely guess at what happened 3 years ago (do you > > remember what you had for breakfast on 31-Dec-2007?), even 30 years > > ago is blanketed by political broom-sweeping and 300 years ago??? As > > for 2300+ years ago, we don't stand much of a chance, as every day > > that went by wasn't recorded very acurately. It could be that the > > Aztecs and Incas got THEIR gold from the Egyptians via many a years > > marketeering. > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Pat <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > On Dec 19, 10:15 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I am hoping someone has the answers as they have been bugging me and > > the > > > > > more I find out the more I don't understand. > > > > > > I was taught that the Egyptian pyramids were built by jewish slave > > labor > > > > > turns out that archeology shows that they were built by by the > > Egyptians > > > > > themselves part of their tax system. the other thing I am finding out > > is > > > > > that they had no currency other than barter for grain. Ramses had > > > > grainery > > > > > complex large enough to feed all of egypt for over a year ,, now that > > is > > > > a > > > > > lot of grain.. and the nile is a tremendous agricultural area very > > > > fertile. > > > > > > Now the only coins known to be minted were created by cleaopatra and > > were > > > > of > > > > > a helenistic design and were never in circulation. > > > > > Now the Pharaohs are well known for the love of Gold in their > > burials > > > > and > > > > > lots of it to. Now to my knowledge there are no major sources of Gold > > > > within > > > > > the Egyptian borders which is not a problem as they had plenty of > > grain > > > > to > > > > > trade for all the gold they wanted.. > > > > > Nomadic tribes by their nature are not large 30 to 50 people at best. > > not > > > > > hundreds of thousands as taught. one of the questions is what > > happened > > > > to > > > > > the jews and just where were they? maybe still nomadic traders?? > > Isreal > > > > has > > > > > no major gold mines to my knowledge. and apparently slavery was not > > a > > > > big > > > > > thing either, although i am sure the was some trade in it.. just like > > > > today > > > > > it exist world wide,, but is not major.. > > > > > > The other question comes from the burial rites and the shear quantity > > of > > > > > gold that was involved disappearing by tomb robbers, that would be > > like > > > > > stealing all the gold out of the us depository at fort knox which is > > over > > > > > 4,000 tonnes of gold andit is small comparired to new york's vault > > which > > > > is > > > > > over 5,000 tonnes. what happened to all this gold it apparently does > > not > > > > > show up in the ancient Egyptian culture > > > > > > My questions come to this > > > > > 1: Where were all the jews in egypt in ancient times what did they > > > > actually > > > > > do? > > > > > 2: What happened to all the burial gold that was stolen from the > > tombs > > > > and > > > > > we are not talking about a few ounces either more like it the areas > > of > > > > tons. > > > > > > I hope some one can help me with these answers to these questions > > > > > Allan > > > > > > -- > > > > > ( > > > > > ) > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > > > Allan, Ramesses the Great/Seti I/Ramesses II was Hollywood! > > > > > The Pharoah at the time of Moses was Amenhotep III. His eldest son, > > > > Prince Tuthmose (Tutmosis) WAS Moses. Although most 'scholars' say > > > > that Crown Prince Tuthmose 'predeceased' his father, I don't think > > > > so. The 'Tut'/'Tuth' prefix was a testimony that he was dedicated to > > > > Thoth (although he was a Priest of Ptah, the Creator God), the rest, > > > > 'Mose/Mosis' was his proper name (Musa/Moshe). When they discovered > > > > Crown Prince Tuthmose's tomb, his body was NOT entombed there, in > > > > fact, the only mummy IN the tomb was his pet cat. I think that's most > > > > likely because Moses LEFT Egypt and worshipped a different God. This > > > > would NOT have gone down well in Egypt and, subsequently, the poor boy > > > > was disinherited. When Amenhotep III died, his son, Akhenamun, who > > > > had seen the power of Moses' God, became the first monotheistic > > > > Pharoah of Egypt changed his name to Akhenaten. His son, Tutankhamun > > > > (originally Tutankhaten!!) didn't last long as the old priests wanted > > > > their jobs back and Egypt was back to being polytheistic. > > > > > The Hebrew (not Jewish!!) slaves would hav ehelped do all sorts of > > > > things, but they weren't slaves forever. The Egyptian dynasties go > > > > farther back than 400 years prior to Amenhotep III. And, of course, > > > > one would think that it wasn't only the Hebrews that they enslaved > > > > over time. Nubians and Abyssinians would have been subjugated as > > > > well. But, the Egyptians themselves would have been honoured to help > > > > build a pyramid for a well-liked Pharoah. > > > > > The Jews were in Goshen, on the Eastern side of the Nile Delta. As > > > > for the gold, I think it was stolen and used by those who raided tombs > > > > and, of course, by those who conquered Egypt. Think Alexander!! He > > > > would have distrbuted much gold around Greece and the Ptolemaic > > > > dynasty that he created would hav esold a lot of it to keep the > > > > peace. I reckon most of the Egyptian gold was gone by the time of > > > > Cleopatra. And, then, one has to think of the Islamic invasions and > > > > Crusader invasions that took place after that. Plenty of time to > > > > spoil. > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
