Yeah I see what you mean, but as Pat has so succintly put it. Potential energy as an existing thing is prevelant, yet is hard to quntify or point to, but that it exists is not in doubt.
Umm on the other hand Pat, is it not true that potential enrgy is potential simply because of the potential of others forces acting on an object? The potial energy of a ball atop of a hill, must be because of the potential of gravity effeting it? On Mar 1, 2:43 pm, Clayton Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a hard time believing that energy cant be created. In my theory, new > energy is always constantly created where there is nothing. > > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mar 1, 2:00 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > Hey Pat, > > > > I did wonder when you would put in an apperance. > > > Out of the past 59 days, I've had about 42 of them with migraines. > > I've had loads of time off and, thus, haven't had access to the > > internet. > > > > Yep I had the same thought you know. When we talk of human > > > conciousness we are talking basicly an electrical impulse, can the > > > same be said of a bodyless God? What then is meant by the > > > conciousness of God? > > > A different 'form' of energy (spiritual energy). In my theory, its > > the form that appears in 3 out of the 6 Calabi-Yau dimensions. > > > > Myself I sometimes use this word (conciousness) when talking about > > > Gods 'essance' or 'spirit'. In order to show that whatever it is, it > > > needs to be understood that it does not consit of matter, and when I > > > say matter I also mean energy, that is nothing that was not present > > > before the creation. > > > Exactly! Whilst matter is a form of energy, so, too, is spirit. But > > it's not found in this 4-D world. Although, because the spirito- > > physical interface (our nervous system) is so good, we tend to think > > we see it whem in reality, what we are seeing is only the physical > > aspect of the interface. Remember, when it comes to energy, > > 'potential energy' has no appearance whatsoever. It doesn't look like > > anything, yet it has complete potential FOR everything. And THAT is > > the key to solving the conundrum. All energy was, at some point, > > purely potential. At that point, the only thing it COULD do was to > > try to reach that potential and the show began. > > > > Again personaly speaking I have no problems seeing God as the original > > > cause. To ask what then caused God is meaningless, to my mind. > > > Especially when science is clearly happy that energy is neither > > created nor destroyed!! > > > > On Mar 1, 1:32 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 1, 11:27 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Have you ever read the 'Conversations with God' Books? > > > > > > It's auother suggests much the same and gives a reason fro the > > > > > creation. Thusly: > > > > > > Gods knowledge is perfect but what is knowledge without experiance, > > > > > and so 'let there be light' and the creation was created. For God to > > > > > experiance. > > > > > While, in principle, I agree, the proposition states no methodology-- > > > > no mechanism--for getting from point A (nothing) to point B > > > > (something). There needs to be a mechanism, even for a God, to get > > > > something from nothing. Alternatively, Clayton's proposition is > > > > slightly better in that it doesn't propose that there WAS a nothing, > > > > per se, rather , that the nothing was, in fact, a something. > > > > Nevertheless, what is lacking THERE is what IS this something that was > > > > nothing? I already know the answer myself, but I thought I'd throw > > > > out the questions to help eke it out of Clayton. Consciousness is a > > > > great fall back, but of what does it consist? What is the underlying > > > > 'substance'? Again, I already know the answer, but would like Clayton > > > > to give it some thought. > > > > > > On Feb 27, 9:51 pm, Clayton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Before there was anything in our universe there was nothing, but > > how > > > > > > could something come to exist from nothing. Nothing must be > > something > > > > > > right? > > > > > > > Not in my theory. > > > > > > > My theory is that there is always an infinite amount of nothing > > > > > > outside of something and that something is continually produced > > > > > > wherever there is nothing. What that something is, is the > > conscience > > > > > > of an unborn universe, and these consciences are also continually > > > > > > being produced. Our universe was at one time one of those unborn > > > > > > universes, but something happened. Just as it does for all unborn > > > > > > universes. It’s conscience began to think, but what would the > > > > > > conscience of nothing think about? It would think about what it is, > > > > > > because it wouldn't know, and this thought would continually build > > up > > > > > > in the conscience until it was so compressed that the pressure > > would > > > > > > cause the conscience to explode into a big bang. What I am saying > > is > > > > > > that thought is the first form of energy that has ever existed, and > > > > > > that everything in our universe is just another form of this > > energy. > > > > > > > I believe that the energy, that is everything in our Universe is > > the > > > > > > God of our universe, and that God has always known everything there > > is > > > > > > to know about the universe. In the beginning God’s knowledge was > > very > > > > > > limited, but now it is very complex because everything that has > > been > > > > > > created from that original thought energy is an extension of Gods > > > > > > consciousness, even ourselves. However, I believe that all things > > that > > > > > > exists also have their own conscience. Everything, from the > > smallest > > > > > > particle on up to the entire universe. It’s just a matter of how > > > > > > closely you look. I’ll use a rock as an example, because I came up > > > > > > with my theory while I was in the woods on my land enjoying nature > > and > > > > > > there was this huge beautiful rock, and it was almost as if I could > > > > > > see into it and see its conscience. It was like me and the rock > > were > > > > > > interacting. Now, when I stepped away from the rock and went up to > > my > > > > > > car that was parked at the top of my land I could see my entire > > piece > > > > > > of land and I could see that it was all working together as one > > > > > > conscience. I see it on an even larger scale when I look at the > > night > > > > > > sky. After this experience I came to the conclusion that everything > > is > > > > > > very much alive. I also came to the conclusion that man, though he, > > > > > > like all other things that are an extension of God has the ability > > to > > > > > > know as much as God. I feel that man is very close to beginning > > > > > > exploration outside of his own universe and that once we get > > outside > > > > > > of our universe our task will then be to track down the beginning > > of > > > > > > nothing and we will become an extension of God that allows him to > > see > > > > > > outside his own universe. Something that I think will keep us > > occupied > > > > > > for quite some time.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
