On Mar 1, 2:43 pm, Clayton Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a hard time believing that energy cant be created. In my theory, new > energy is always constantly created where there is nothing. >
Unfortunately, you can't demonstratrate that empirically. > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mar 1, 2:00 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > Hey Pat, > > > > I did wonder when you would put in an apperance. > > > Out of the past 59 days, I've had about 42 of them with migraines. > > I've had loads of time off and, thus, haven't had access to the > > internet. > > > > Yep I had the same thought you know. When we talk of human > > > conciousness we are talking basicly an electrical impulse, can the > > > same be said of a bodyless God? What then is meant by the > > > conciousness of God? > > > A different 'form' of energy (spiritual energy). In my theory, its > > the form that appears in 3 out of the 6 Calabi-Yau dimensions. > > > > Myself I sometimes use this word (conciousness) when talking about > > > Gods 'essance' or 'spirit'. In order to show that whatever it is, it > > > needs to be understood that it does not consit of matter, and when I > > > say matter I also mean energy, that is nothing that was not present > > > before the creation. > > > Exactly! Whilst matter is a form of energy, so, too, is spirit. But > > it's not found in this 4-D world. Although, because the spirito- > > physical interface (our nervous system) is so good, we tend to think > > we see it whem in reality, what we are seeing is only the physical > > aspect of the interface. Remember, when it comes to energy, > > 'potential energy' has no appearance whatsoever. It doesn't look like > > anything, yet it has complete potential FOR everything. And THAT is > > the key to solving the conundrum. All energy was, at some point, > > purely potential. At that point, the only thing it COULD do was to > > try to reach that potential and the show began. > > > > Again personaly speaking I have no problems seeing God as the original > > > cause. To ask what then caused God is meaningless, to my mind. > > > Especially when science is clearly happy that energy is neither > > created nor destroyed!! > > > > On Mar 1, 1:32 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 1, 11:27 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Have you ever read the 'Conversations with God' Books? > > > > > > It's auother suggests much the same and gives a reason fro the > > > > > creation. Thusly: > > > > > > Gods knowledge is perfect but what is knowledge without experiance, > > > > > and so 'let there be light' and the creation was created. For God to > > > > > experiance. > > > > > While, in principle, I agree, the proposition states no methodology-- > > > > no mechanism--for getting from point A (nothing) to point B > > > > (something). There needs to be a mechanism, even for a God, to get > > > > something from nothing. Alternatively, Clayton's proposition is > > > > slightly better in that it doesn't propose that there WAS a nothing, > > > > per se, rather , that the nothing was, in fact, a something. > > > > Nevertheless, what is lacking THERE is what IS this something that was > > > > nothing? I already know the answer myself, but I thought I'd throw > > > > out the questions to help eke it out of Clayton. Consciousness is a > > > > great fall back, but of what does it consist? What is the underlying > > > > 'substance'? Again, I already know the answer, but would like Clayton > > > > to give it some thought. > > > > > > On Feb 27, 9:51 pm, Clayton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Before there was anything in our universe there was nothing, but > > how > > > > > > could something come to exist from nothing. Nothing must be > > something > > > > > > right? > > > > > > > Not in my theory. > > > > > > > My theory is that there is always an infinite amount of nothing > > > > > > outside of something and that something is continually produced > > > > > > wherever there is nothing. What that something is, is the > > conscience > > > > > > of an unborn universe, and these consciences are also continually > > > > > > being produced. Our universe was at one time one of those unborn > > > > > > universes, but something happened. Just as it does for all unborn > > > > > > universes. It’s conscience began to think, but what would the > > > > > > conscience of nothing think about? It would think about what it is, > > > > > > because it wouldn't know, and this thought would continually build > > up > > > > > > in the conscience until it was so compressed that the pressure > > would > > > > > > cause the conscience to explode into a big bang. What I am saying > > is > > > > > > that thought is the first form of energy that has ever existed, and > > > > > > that everything in our universe is just another form of this > > energy. > > > > > > > I believe that the energy, that is everything in our Universe is > > the > > > > > > God of our universe, and that God has always known everything there > > is > > > > > > to know about the universe. In the beginning God’s knowledge was > > very > > > > > > limited, but now it is very complex because everything that has > > been > > > > > > created from that original thought energy is an extension of Gods > > > > > > consciousness, even ourselves. However, I believe that all things > > that > > > > > > exists also have their own conscience. Everything, from the > > smallest > > > > > > particle on up to the entire universe. It’s just a matter of how > > > > > > closely you look. I’ll use a rock as an example, because I came up > > > > > > with my theory while I was in the woods on my land enjoying nature > > and > > > > > > there was this huge beautiful rock, and it was almost as if I could > > > > > > see into it and see its conscience. It was like me and the rock > > were > > > > > > interacting. Now, when I stepped away from the rock and went up to > > my > > > > > > car that was parked at the top of my land I could see my entire > > piece > > > > > > of land and I could see that it was all working together as one > > > > > > conscience. I see it on an even larger scale when I look at the > > night > > > > > > sky. After this experience I came to the conclusion that everything > > is > > > > > > very much alive. I also came to the conclusion that man, though he, > > > > > > like all other things that are an extension of God has the ability > > to > > > > > > know as much as God. I feel that man is very close to beginning > > > > > > exploration outside of his own universe and that once we get > > outside > > > > > > of our universe our task will then be to track down the beginning > > of > > > > > > nothing and we will become an extension of God that allows him to > > see > > > > > > outside his own universe. Something that I think will keep us > > occupied > > > > > > for quite some time.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
