Well, with what I've said and what others have said. I feel that it is best to just give thanks that were here. It is obvious that there is infinite complexity in some way or another. God could come down tomorrow and say that he created everything, but who created God and so on and so forth. I think I'm just going to say to hell with it and BBQ and go catfishing for the rest of my life. Oh yeah, and build a model for self sustainability that I plan to share with the world so others can free themselves from unnecessary stress and meaningless work and actually enjoy life.
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:03 PM, [email protected] < [email protected]> wrote: > Also go get any book by that nutcase William Grey, if you want to read > more on the qabblah. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_G._Gray > > Umm Clayton that was addressed to > > On Mar 2, 1:32 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mar 1, 2:46 pm, Clayton Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I wish I had a more advanced language to work with. I use words like > > > conscience and energy but these words just don't cut it. Perhaps I > should > > > create my own words and define them. > > > > Clayton, I was thinking more about this last night and I think I've > > come up with a neologism for you. You describe a 'limitless nothing' > > from which everything came. Taking a recent neologism and tweaking it > > a bit for your intention, why not call it "Cypherspace"--derived from > > tweaking 'Cyberspace' and conflating it with the nothingness intended > > by the term 'cypher'? It's very catchy, well, at least I thought it > > was...but I could be a bit biased at my own creation. ;-) > > > > Also, this concept of a 'limitless nothing' is not a new concept. In > > fact, it's millenia old. It's a functional aspect of Kabbalah--Jewish > > mysticism. Their term for it is "Ain Soph" (the 'ai' in Ain is > > pronounced like 'eye' the 'Soph' is pronounced exactly like sofa > > without the final 'a'; alternatively, it's spelled "Ein Sof", which > > appeals better to those who speak German, as it leads to the proper > > pronunciation.) Ain, literally, means 'nothing' and 'Soph' means > > 'limitless'. In the Kabbalah, the Creation of the universe is > > symbolised by the Tree of Life with its 10 emanations; however, there > > are 3 pre-emanations that precede the 'substantial' emanations. They > > are > > 0) Ain = Nothing > > 00) Ain Soph = Limitless nothing > > 000) Ain Soph Aur = Limitless light > > > > Here's a link that you might find interesting, as it will give more > > information on both the Ain Soph and the Tree of Life in general: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_sof > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Clayton Taylor < > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > I have a hard time believing that energy cant be created. In my > theory, new > > > > energy is always constantly created where there is nothing. > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Pat <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > >> On Mar 1, 2:00 pm, "[email protected]" < > [email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > Hey Pat, > > > > > >> > I did wonder when you would put in an apperance. > > > > > >> Out of the past 59 days, I've had about 42 of them with migraines. > > > >> I've had loads of time off and, thus, haven't had access to the > > > >> internet. > > > > > >> > Yep I had the same thought you know. When we talk of human > > > >> > conciousness we are talking basicly an electrical impulse, can the > > > >> > same be said of a bodyless God? What then is meant by the > > > >> > conciousness of God? > > > > > >> A different 'form' of energy (spiritual energy). In my theory, its > > > >> the form that appears in 3 out of the 6 Calabi-Yau dimensions. > > > > > >> > Myself I sometimes use this word (conciousness) when talking about > > > >> > Gods 'essance' or 'spirit'. In order to show that whatever it is, > it > > > >> > needs to be understood that it does not consit of matter, and when > I > > > >> > say matter I also mean energy, that is nothing that was not > present > > > >> > before the creation. > > > > > >> Exactly! Whilst matter is a form of energy, so, too, is spirit. > But > > > >> it's not found in this 4-D world. Although, because the spirito- > > > >> physical interface (our nervous system) is so good, we tend to think > > > >> we see it whem in reality, what we are seeing is only the physical > > > >> aspect of the interface. Remember, when it comes to energy, > > > >> 'potential energy' has no appearance whatsoever. It doesn't look > like > > > >> anything, yet it has complete potential FOR everything. And THAT is > > > >> the key to solving the conundrum. All energy was, at some point, > > > >> purely potential. At that point, the only thing it COULD do was to > > > >> try to reach that potential and the show began. > > > > > >> > Again personaly speaking I have no problems seeing God as the > original > > > >> > cause. To ask what then caused God is meaningless, to my mind. > > > > > >> Especially when science is clearly happy that energy is neither > > > >> created nor destroyed!! > > > > > >> > On Mar 1, 1:32 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > On Mar 1, 11:27 am, "[email protected]" < > [email protected] > > > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > Have you ever read the 'Conversations with God' Books? > > > > > >> > > > It's auother suggests much the same and gives a reason fro the > > > >> > > > creation. Thusly: > > > > > >> > > > Gods knowledge is perfect but what is knowledge without > experiance, > > > >> > > > and so 'let there be light' and the creation was created. For > God > > > >> to > > > >> > > > experiance. > > > > > >> > > While, in principle, I agree, the proposition states no > methodology-- > > > >> > > no mechanism--for getting from point A (nothing) to point B > > > >> > > (something). There needs to be a mechanism, even for a God, to > get > > > >> > > something from nothing. Alternatively, Clayton's proposition is > > > >> > > slightly better in that it doesn't propose that there WAS a > nothing, > > > >> > > per se, rather , that the nothing was, in fact, a something. > > > >> > > Nevertheless, what is lacking THERE is what IS this something > that was > > > >> > > nothing? I already know the answer myself, but I thought I'd > throw > > > >> > > out the questions to help eke it out of Clayton. Consciousness > is a > > > >> > > great fall back, but of what does it consist? What is the > underlying > > > >> > > 'substance'? Again, I already know the answer, but would like > Clayton > > > >> > > to give it some thought. > > > > > >> > > > On Feb 27, 9:51 pm, Clayton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > Before there was anything in our universe there was nothing, > but > > > >> how > > > >> > > > > could something come to exist from nothing. Nothing must be > > > >> something > > > >> > > > > right? > > > > > >> > > > > Not in my theory. > > > > > >> > > > > My theory is that there is always an infinite amount of > nothing > > > >> > > > > outside of something and that something is continually > produced > > > >> > > > > wherever there is nothing. What that something is, is the > > > >> conscience > > > >> > > > > of an unborn universe, and these consciences are also > continually > > > >> > > > > being produced. Our universe was at one time one of those > unborn > > > >> > > > > universes, but something happened. Just as it does for all > unborn > > > >> > > > > universes. It’s conscience began to think, but what would > the > > > >> > > > > conscience of nothing think about? It would think about what > it > > > >> is, > > > >> > > > > because it wouldn't know, and this thought would continually > build > > > >> up > > > >> > > > > in the conscience until it was so compressed that the > pressure > > > >> would > > > >> > > > > cause the conscience to explode into a big bang. What I am > saying > > > >> is > > > >> > > > > that thought is the first form of energy that has ever > existed, > > > >> and > > > >> > > > > that everything in our universe is just another form of this > > > >> energy. > > > > > >> > > > > I believe that the energy, that is everything in our > Universe is > > > >> the > > > >> > > > > God of our universe, and that God has always known > everything > > > >> there is > > > >> > > > > to know about the universe. In the beginning God’s knowledge > was > > > >> very > > > >> > > > > limited, but now it is very complex because everything that > has > > > >> been > > > >> > > > > created from that original thought energy is an extension of > Gods > > > >> > > > > consciousness, even ourselves. However, I believe that all > things > > > >> that > > > >> > > > > exists also have their own conscience. Everything, from the > > > >> smallest > > > >> > > > > particle on up to the entire universe. It’s just a matter of > how > > > >> > > > > closely you look. I’ll use a rock as an example, because I > came up > > > >> > > > > with my theory while I was in the woods on my land enjoying > nature > > > >> and > > > >> > > > > there was this huge beautiful rock, and it was almost as if > I > > > >> could > > > >> > > > > see into it and see its conscience. It was like me and the > rock > > > >> were > > > >> > > > > interacting. Now, when I stepped away from the rock and went > up to > > > >> my > > > >> > > > > car that was parked at the top of my land I could see my > entire > > > >> piece > > > >> > > > > of land and I could see that it was all working together as > one > > > >> > > > > conscience. I see it on an even larger scale when I look at > the > > > >> night > > > >> > > > > sky. After this experience I came to the conclusion that > > > >> everything is > > > >> > > > > very much alive. I also came to the conclusion that man, > though > > > >> he, > > > >> > > > > like all other things that are an extension of God has the > ability > > > >> to > > > >> > > > > know as much as God. I feel that man is very close to > beginning > > > >> > > > > exploration outside of his own universe and that once we get > > > >> outside > > > >> > > > > of our universe our task will then be to track down the > beginning > > > >> of > > > >> > > > > nothing and we will become an extension of God that allows > him to > > > >> see > > > >> > > > > outside his own universe. Something that I think will keep > us > > > >> occupied > > > >> > > > > for quite some time.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
