I haven't been reading along for a few days. No- I don't think you are an ass and I was making some harsh observances/questions that sounded mean. By the way, what do you mean by "mean"? Sometimes survival tactics or protection seems mean- like mother bears can be mean- but I don't think I planned being mean in advance of a reaction or response- vs. a killer or a military operation. And yes, I have a few days on you :-).
I think I have a full repetoire of reactions. Yes- I have been too trusting, naive and foolish at times which is also an extreme. Somehow age begins to even out/ mollify the spirit/reactions but then again, there are stories of the elderly who become quite nasty and violent. On May 19, 9:26 pm, the taoist shaman <[email protected]> wrote: > ash , i never made the statment , eat or be eaten , but responded to > it , why , was i an ass hole again ? i prbably was , people tell me i > usually am . sometimes i see it and sometimes i dont . i dont remember > what statment i made but the conversation is familiar . > > > > Ash wrote: > > Cheer up man, it was an easy one, tit for tat I think: "of corse nature > > is both extreems , my origonal point was in responce to a statment , " > > nature is eat or be eaten " this statment is anarrow minded view , your > > glass is half full , u look to self and assume others do the same , so > > it would seem" > > > Nothing to worry much with though, roll with it. > > > On 5/18/2011 9:01 AM, the taoist shaman wrote: > > > treating others the way they treat you , instead of the way you know > > > you should , mirroring the person accross from you , is sage like > > > advice ? im sorry but that sounds more like sheepole thiking than > > > people . im sorry im not trying to be mean , thats just my opinion . > > > > the taoist shaman wrote: > > >> she made an arogant , insalting , assumption ,..... i though , maybe > > >> im wrong , i dont know. > > > >> [email protected] wrote: > > >>> I think it more a sage piece of advice. > > > >>> We are all to some degree or other selfish, the religous amongst us > > >>> are more selfish than most. yep yep me included. > > > >>> Why do I say this? > > > >>> Well I'm concerned with my soul, I really don't care what you choose > > >>> to do about your own. > > > >>> This is all natural and indeed good, indivdual choice, is amongst the > > >>> greatest of Gods gifts to us. To be able to choose, to be born free > > >>> and not a slave. Ahh life is good. > > > >>> Think about it, nobody would relinquish choice easily, indeed it is > > >>> hard to say 'not my will ohh lord but yours' and harder to live it. > > > >>> On May 18, 6:06 am, the taoist shaman<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> rigsy --- " do u assume that others have your best intrest in mind ? > > >>>> is this wize ? how has this worked out for you thus far ? "----- > > >>>> sounds like u being genuinely mean person , if i have misinterpreted > > >>>> your intentions i apologise . > > > >>>> rigsy03 wrote: > > >>>>> I think we have to deal with false interest/altruism everyday via the > > >>>>> government, media, etc. which is why dissent is the key to democracy- > > >>>>> perhaps. Yes- we depend on sincere kindness and love. Why would you > > >>>>> think I feel otherwise? You seem to be doing fine. Is this due to > > >>>>> "trust/verify"? > > >>>>> On May 15, 10:29 pm, the taoist shaman<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> of corse others dont always have my best intrest in mind ! what fool > > >>>>>> would belive that , please dont make assumptions / ASS OUT OF U AND > > >>>>>> ME /ASSUME____ im a jack ass not a dumb ass ___ others dont need to > > >>>>>> look out for me in order for me to look out for them , do u use fire > > >>>>>> to put out fire riggs , i try my best to use water but some fires > > >>>>>> dont > > >>>>>> die unless u smuther them , as far as your view on nature , sometimes > > >>>>>> the worst example is the best example of what not to be , by the way > > >>>>>> its taken some faith but yes it is working , ive been surviving on > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>> kindness of others for a few months now , people looking out for me , > > >>>>>> because they know i would do the same , others because they genuinely > > >>>>>> get satisfaction from being human to other humans , some will never > > >>>>>> know this satisfaction , and in my opinion this overpopulated world > > >>>>>> has no room for selfish people , i have no job and have given over > > >>>>>> 100$ in food to friends and there children in the past week , i > > >>>>>> myself > > >>>>>> struggle to eat , but love others more than myself , HUMILATY is > > >>>>>> verrry hard to maintain when dealing with the selfish but ALL should > > >>>>>> be treated equally , that they might turn to another , more human , > > >>>>>> path . eather your on the team or your an opponent , keep your > > >>>>>> enameys close that they might become an allie > > >>>>>> youve got to be trusted by the people that you lie to , so that when > > >>>>>> they turn there back on you , youll have the chance to put the knife > > >>>>>> in ! ------RODGER WALTERS > > >>>>>> he had a poor frame of mind ( although i dont believe that was his > > >>>>>> true opinion , but rather a divice used to call out the wicked ) > > >>>>>> rigsy03 wrote: > > >>>>>>> How do you explain the cycles of nature if not by the eat/eaten > > >>>>>>> formula? The image is not as cynical as you might think when you > > >>>>>>> consider all the in-betweens, as well. > > >>>>>>> The glass was half-empty afterall! :-) The washer was not installed > > >>>>>>> properly- it was not level- checked the "bubbles"- which affected > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>> spin cycle. I corrected the side-to-side but can't deal with the > > >>>>>>> front > > >>>>>>> to back as the floor slants to a floor drain. It's covered so a > > >>>>>>> repairman will be out Monday. Hopefully the washer is not already > > >>>>>>> ruined. > > >>>>>>> I usually take others/events at face value but am able to change my > > >>>>>>> mind, if necessary. Do you assume everyone has your best interest at > > >>>>>>> heart? Is this wise? How has that worked out for you thus far? > > >>>>>>> On May 13, 11:34 pm, the taoist shaman<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> of corse nature is both extreems , my origonal point was in > > >>>>>>>> responce > > >>>>>>>> to a statment , " nature is eat or be eaten " this statment is > > >>>>>>>> anarrow > > >>>>>>>> minded view , your glass is half full , u look to self and assume > > >>>>>>>> others do the same , so it would seem > > >>>>>>>> rigsy03 wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> The same animals do not work together either. Check out the > > >>>>>>>>> mating of > > >>>>>>>>> AK bears. Or the everlasting frustrations of male and female, > > >>>>>>>>> male and > > >>>>>>>>> male, female and female, child to child human beings!!! > > >>>>>>>>> On May 11, 9:31 am, Chuck Bowling<[email protected]> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> Maybe the problem is a differing opinion on what 'work together' > > >>>>>>>>>> actually > > >>>>>>>>>> means. What I mean when I say that animals don't work together > > >>>>>>>>>> is that there > > >>>>>>>>>> is no contract or agreement between them for the mutual benefit > > >>>>>>>>>> of both. > > >>>>>>>>>> Note also that I didn't say no animals cooperate. Only that most > > >>>>>>>>>> don't. > > >>>>>>>>>> For instance; > > >>>>>>>>>> The shark doesn't give the sucker permission to ride along. It > > >>>>>>>>>> just does > > >>>>>>>>>> because that is where the feeding grounds are. > > >>>>>>>>>> The hippo example is a symbiotic relationship because the hippo > > >>>>>>>>>> actually > > >>>>>>>>>> gives the bird permission to go into it's mouth to clean. > > >>>>>>>>>> Diatoms don't give the whale permission to eat them. > > >>>>>>>>>> Grazing deer could care less if the monkey is forewarned. > > >>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's relevant to the conversation but there is a > > >>>>>>>>>> difference > > >>>>>>>>>> between symbiotes and parasites. > > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:19 AM, the taoist > > >>>>>>>>>> shaman<[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> thats not even close to true chuck , sorry i have no real > > >>>>>>>>>>> evidence but > > >>>>>>>>>>> nether do you , although the answer is there to be researched . > > >>>>>>>>>>> ( not > > >>>>>>>>>>> essentialy " symbiotic " .... theres too much to be said , > > >>>>>>>>>>> suckers > > >>>>>>>>>>> feeding off bacteria on sharks , birds eating bugs off > > >>>>>>>>>>> hippopotamus , > > >>>>>>>>>>> diatoms feeding whales , some monkey and deer do work together > > >>>>>>>>>>> , man > > >>>>>>>>>>> and dog , even recorded proof of man and orca ( shamoo ) , every > > >>>>>>>>>>> scavenger and paracite , ... this is all a hopeless , vague , > > >>>>>>>>>>> speck of > > >>>>>>>>>>> what i mean to convay , oh well . > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Bowling wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Most species of animal don't actually cooperate in a symbiotic > > >>>>>>>>>>> relationship. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> The monkey and deer don't work together. The monkey sees the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> deer run and > > >>>>>>>>>>>> being at about the same point in the food chain figures that > > >>>>>>>>>>>> it should > > >>>>>>>>>>> run > > >>>>>>>>>>>> too. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:18 PM, the taoist > > >>>>>>>>>>>> shaman<[email protected] > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> i view myself as a spiritual being haveing a human > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> experience . the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> point is that we shouldn't behave like carnivorous beasts , > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> deer and > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> monkeys work tgether eating nuts and beries , the deer keep a > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> look > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> out , monkeys pick nuts , > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is language a good or poor indicator of intellect ? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ash wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I think we are a part of the animal kingdom, last time > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I > > >>>>>>>>>>> checked > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we were mammals in the sapien family. But I think the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality of > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> herd is a natural behavior to social creatures, that and our > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> talented > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rhetoric for negative reinforcement of behaviors that go > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> against the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> norm while the norm is reinforced with confirmation bias. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/5/2011 3:17 PM, the taoist shaman wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your statments contradict each other , besides we are not > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animals , > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well....... i can be a bit of an animal from time to time > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but ..... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 10:02 pm, rigsy03<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can you expect governance unless you can control the > > >>>>>>>>>>> population? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What else is new? :-) > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even a family needs order and control, doesn't it? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you observe the order of nature? The routines of the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world serve a definite purpose. Eat or be eaten. :-) > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 12:50 pm, the taoist shaman<[email protected]> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are most people really sheepole ? can i get a ya or nay- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hide > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
