Ahh Pat yes that is not exactly what you said,I pared it down for you and once again used differant words to say what I 'concluded' you where saying.
Of course as you know I'll just have to disagree with your particular 'truth' here, perhaps after I have read your book I may not. Who knows! On Jun 8, 4:33 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On Jun 8, 2:44 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Is the right to use your intelect to draw conclusions really a right? > > > Naaa I would not have thought so. > > Ahh, but that's not exactly what I said. I said, "you have the > granted right to misinterpret the truth at your leisure". Drawing > conclusions is, though, the larger part of thinking. Do we not have > the appearance of the right to think? The truth, of course, is that > our thoughts are God's and we're just multiprocessors with differing > firmware. But it might take an IT guru to fully grasp that analogy. > > > > > On Jun 8, 1:46 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Jun 8, 9:50 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Umm now that is a question. > > > > > If I assume that I have right and the reality is that I have not taken > > > > it or been granted it, is it a right at all? > > > > > I think I would have to say no, so yes rights can be falsely assumed. > > > > Well, you have the granted right to misinterpret the truth at your > > > leisure. That is, based on the environment in which you've been > > > placed, you can, due to your intelligence, draw conclusions. Whether > > > or not those conclusions are valid is guaranteed only by your belief > > > that they are. Clear as mud? > > > > > On Jun 7, 7:04 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Or falsely assumed? > > > > > > On Jun 6, 6:46 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I think you missed this bit Rigsy: > > > > > > > 'If in reality God has grnated such rights then they would be > > > > > > impossible for us to live without them, it is clear that we do > > > > > > though' > > > > > > > Which is saying no God has not objectivly granted us rights. There > > > > > > is > > > > > > no objective source for any rights, rights are either taken or > > > > > > granted, that is all. > > > > > > > Justice is decided upon by the people or the lawmakers. In both of > > > > > > these cases the rights by which justice is decided are rights that > > > > > > are > > > > > > taken or granted. > > > > > > > I'll say it agian, there are no natural human rights, all rights are > > > > > > taken or granted. > > > > > > > On Jun 5, 7:15 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It might be grounded in our biology as a fetus will pull what it > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > from the mother in order to develop and be born unless > > > > > > > interrupted by > > > > > > > Nature or laws. > > > > > > > > And in wars, each side announces God's favor for their cause. So > > > > > > > too, > > > > > > > in political systems, though it is masked. > > > > > > > > And do you really think laws are divinely motivated in various > > > > > > > governments? How is justice dispensed? How are rights distributed? > > > > > > > > On Jun 2, 6:27 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nope I have to disagree OM. Now I have read the piece I find > > > > > > > > nowt to > > > > > > > > make me change my mind. > > > > > > > > > From what source do such rights stem? > > > > > > > > > My stance is grounded in our history. All the rights we have > > > > > > > > now have > > > > > > > > bee faught for, that is they have been taken. Once taken > > > > > > > > progresive > > > > > > > > goveremtns have enshrined them in law and now they are granted. > > > > > > > > > These laws, as all laws, can be changed. In which case the > > > > > > > > granted > > > > > > > > rights will have been resincinded and well not have them back > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > without 'taking' them back. > > > > > > > > > There is no objective source from which such rights stem except > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > God. If in reality God has grnated such rights then they would > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > impossible for us to live without them, it is clear that we do > > > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > On Jun 2, 12:11 pm, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Just reading through it now. > > > > > > > > > > I find I can't agree with this bit at all: > > > > > > > > > > 'In contrast to these objections, I would contend that if all > > > > > > > > > communities or nations on earth enjoy the same sort of > > > > > > > > > autonomy that > > > > > > > > > legitimates any action that they deem acceptable and can be > > > > > > > > > sustained > > > > > > > > > for a period of time, then the moral relativists win. There > > > > > > > > > are no > > > > > > > > > natural human rights, and the whole enterprise should be > > > > > > > > > thrown into > > > > > > > > > the gutter.' > > > > > > > > > > I would ask why if it is shown that these natural human > > > > > > > > > rights do not > > > > > > > > > exist (which is indeed my stance) why the whole concept of > > > > > > > > > them need > > > > > > > > > to be thrown in the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 7:19 pm, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks rigsy! This is one of the best (read: accurate) > > > > > > > > > > articles on the > > > > > > > > > > subject I've read in a long time. I feel this philosopher > > > > > > > > > > has it > > > > > > > > > > 'right' as far as I can tell. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 6:37 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/29/are-there-natural-hum... > > > > > > > > > > > > I started to read the comments which are lively but I > > > > > > > > > > > need breakfast...- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
