Much like Pat, Ken Wilber takes on the world in his body of work. Wilber gives those who need to process life through the intellect a path to weave much of it together and still leave room for infinite possibility. I admire the work for that. But there is much of it, and it can be dry. His Integral Institute can be elitist, but that it out of his hands really. I have ten of his books on the shelf and refer to his work from time to time, especially when I need a view that includes rather than separates. I especially like his views on shadow and creativity.
On Jun 9, 12:15 am, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > Intriguing discussion Molly, I couldn't catch the attribution of the > stages of religious development the older gentleman was talking about > but this led me to some interesting material. I just started reading it > but an article about Integral Theory sounds similar to what is being > discussed, do you have an opinion about this? Thanks, I hope it holds up > to the intro!http://integrallife.com/node/37539 > > On 6/5/2011 8:23 AM, Molly wrote: > > > > > > > > > As luck would have it (or synchronicity) this Ken Wilber/Alex Grey > > conversation was posted on my facebook page. It speaks to much of > > what has been mentioned, although includes much that has not. Hope > > you find it relevant: http://vimeo.com/24478031 > > > On Jun 5, 7:26 am, Molly<[email protected]> wrote: > >> I think you are on to something, Mardi. Whole brain mind function is > >> cutting edge stuff. We are just beginning, as a whole, to consider > >> its importance and effects in our lives. My take, is that it is > >> required for such states as deep sleep, quiet mind, and what has been > >> known through the ages as master yogi capabilities. My take is that > >> our states activate brain functioning, and all other body functioning, > >> and formulate our health and wellness. I am hard pressed to find > >> literature on integrated brain (right and left) that is more than a > >> scientific brief. I guess we are just beginning to realize ourselves > >> in this area. > > >> On Jun 1, 10:04 am, Mardi<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> I think that the many ways that people react to ideas expressed > >>> through images and ideas expressed through words are what make those > >>> ideas more rich and meaningful. We all bring our personal vision and > >>> construct larger ideas. > >>> I don't see symbols and imagery limited to the visual. The best > >>> writing evokes imagery and symbolic thinking can be applied to any > >>> idea whether it is an abstract or concrete idea, whether expressed > >>> verbally or non-verbally. I think of symbolism as a right brain, > >>> wholisitic way of thinking which accesses multiple lines of thought > >>> and creates innumerable avenues for thought to wander down. This is in > >>> contrast to left brain thinking which is focused on details rather > >>> than the whole and is verbal and linear. I think that the most > >>> satisfying insights come to us by using both methods in conjunction > >>> with each other, interweaving the left and right brain to "see" a > >>> myriad of potential ideas. > >>> On May 17, 7:52 am, rigsy03<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> I don't think people have the same reaction to images unless they are > >>>> forced/coerced by society- but it depends on what kind of symbol/image > >>>> we are talking about. > >>>> On May 15, 5:46 pm, Menfranco Laws<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> Hi everybody! I just would like to ask you a question about images > >>>>> since you are taking about images. > >>>>> Do images mean the same thing to different people? Or everyone of us > >>>>> sees those images in a different way? What do you think? > >>>>> My regards, Menfranco > >>>>> On May 16, 6:39 am, archytas<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> Just settling in to a new attempt on the great work Chris. > >>>>>> There are fantastic images in glaciers - natural products that > >>>>>> resemble 'our worst fears'. > >>>>>> On May 11, 2:15 pm, rigsy03<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> Sorry- I clicked a blank "send"! > >>>>>>> Jesus is also the man/god symbol- among others. I will have to keep > >>>>>>> re- > >>>>>>> reading to see what arguments can be made but there is also the > >>>>>>> personal to consider when discussing symbolism. > >>>>>>> Strange co-incidence about Star Wars. I either donated or tossed a > >>>>>>> huge cache of figures, etc. and my daughter gasped as I guess they are > >>>>>>> quite hot on e-bay. I think I would get depressed seeing what's hot- > >>>>>>> like Antiques Roadshow. > >>>>>>> Anyway- amazing what technology has done re war- Earth Wars. > >>>>>>> Symbols and language do play a huge role, don't they? How words are > >>>>>>> distorted in meaning or motive, > >>>>>>> On May 10, 2:59 am, the taoist shaman<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> u talk like yoda , yoda was F in sweet . > >>>>>>>> '' i don't believe it ! " ----LUKE > >>>>>>>> " mmm, that is why u fail . '' ---YODA > >>>>>>>> freekin sweet , im sorry u can go on with your conversation now > >>>>>>>> ps. che was originally a symbol but now how many people understand > >>>>>>>> what he represented , could u make the same argument for jesus or the > >>>>>>>> pentagram for that matter , or the white flag with a red cross sailed > >>>>>>>> by columbus , or the imagery on the american dollar bill ? > >>>>>>>> rigsy03 wrote: > >>>>>>>>> I've changed my mind about Che. He is too transitory to be a > >>>>>>>>> symbol. A > >>>>>>>>> t-shirt or poster does not a symbol make. :-) > >>>>>>>>> On May 5, 2:29 pm, the taoist shaman<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> the immage of chae is a good example > >>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 10:23 pm, rigsy03<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Given the current buzz... > >>>>>>>>>>> I wonder about the debate to show the Crucifixion of Christ back > >>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>> the day. Was it considered too graphic? And think of the > >>>>>>>>>>> multitude of > >>>>>>>>>>> images of Christ's face created by artists of many ages and > >>>>>>>>>>> cultures. > >>>>>>>>>>> How does an image become a symbol? Of what?- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > >>>>> - Show quoted text -
