That's true, Rigsy. I guess what I was thinking was more in terms of dealing with patterns of thought and behavior that adversely affect our lives, like obsessions, phobias, anxiety, depression, etc. For someone to be scared of a picture of a frog (I saw that on Dr Phil) is ridiculous, but such phobias can be dealt with through desensitization in stages. Likewise, I've found that depression usually comes from internal echoes of self-deprecation, probably developed through experience of deprecation from the outside, and training yourself to chase such thoughts away is key.
We all reflect our natural tendencies, in the context of our environment, right? Peace, Tony On Jul 16, 7:45 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > True- we can understand our memories,etc. differently as we mature- > but, they could be worse than our childhood understanding! Who really > determines the logic of our thought patterns is of considerable > importance- we can be brainwashed by religion, family, society, etc. > > On Jul 15, 6:36 am, Tony Orlow <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Rigsy - > > > I don't think we can expunge things from our memory, and I think > > trying to do so may result in some discconnects that make feelings or > > reactions "inexplicable". On the other hand, associations that are > > subconsciously established in our memories may be sound and useful, or > > may be unfortunate accidents resulting in either irrational fears or > > irrational hopes. Those kind of associations can be turned around with > > work, largely by applying our logical level of thinking to the > > problem. Logic is there partly to check our emotions and confirm > > whether what we feel makes sense or not. The level of our abstract > > logical ability is really all that separates us from the other > > animals, and I think it makes sense to cultivate it as much as > > possible, without sacrificing our emotions and becoming Mr. Spock. > > Emotions generally are based in some reality, and it's good to follow > > your intuition, but that involves bringing our thoughts and feelings > > into harmony with each other, so we're not fighting ourselves. > > > Peace, > > > Tony > > > On Jul 15, 7:04 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Thank you, Tony and Paradox. > > > > Except we can clean up our hard drive! > > > > Maybe I should have said "reactions" rather than moods- esp. since > > > females have the rep of being moody creatures. I'm not sure if it is > > > memory or the sc that is triggered by irrational associations. > > > > On Jul 15, 3:22 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Not as familiar with the terrain regarding imagination and creativity, > > > > rigsy; but some thoughts; imagination probably employs the same object > > > > representation and manipulation routines as event "simulation", > > > > certainly occupies the same higher order region; the process is just > > > > less well tethered; an analogy that comes to mind is that of the rider > > > > whose handling on the reins becomes more adept the more confident he/ > > > > she becomes, and the more conditioned the horse gets over time. > > > > > Creativity is more difficult to pin down; my intuitive sense is that > > > > it's probably defined in the versatility of transition of isomorphic > > > > brain "states"; so its not so much a "discrete" attribute, but more a > > > > "bell curve" function. > > > > > Difficult to say about unexplained moods; could be the result of > > > > chemical or homeostatic imbalances, tensions, unresolved mental > > > > phenomena, or any of a long list of things really; what do you think? > > > > > On Jul 14, 12:46 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Yes- that is too technical for me. :-) I see the sc as the hidden > > > > > currents of a river- at least this morning that's my view. Where do > > > > > you think imagination and creativity spring from? Or unexplainable > > > > > moods? Or the irrational? Don't be too technical, please. > > > > > > On Jul 14, 3:36 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Interesting psychoanalytic approach; i'm sort of a little closer to > > > > > > the "technical" school; seems to me that dreams and phantasies are > > > > > > pretty much the same "stuff" as conscious thought, but without the > > > > > > coherence, constraints, and "echolocation" of input, cognition, and > > > > > > the autobiographical self; in that sense, we think (neural mapping) > > > > > > pretty much 24/7, conscious, subconscious, or otherwise; it's just > > > > > > so > > > > > > much more elegant when we're conscious, or daydreaming, curiously > > > > > > :). > > > > > > > Re the "great conductor"; in this great cauldron of distributed > > > > > > mapping, something has to "direct" and prioritise attention; that's > > > > > > the job of dispositional affect (value), or emotion, through > > > > > > amygdala, > > > > > > hippocampus, and associated wide area networks. Antonio Damasio has > > > > > > produced some very interesting, very readable and easily accessible > > > > > > works in this area. > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 1:51 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > The "great conductor" to where? The sc may color our thoughts and > > > > > > > actions but I have a problem giving it a thought process similar > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the ego or super-ego. The fact that we cannot control our sc > > > > > > > makes us > > > > > > > want to control it- it can be dangerous or embarassing or > > > > > > > distracting, > > > > > > > for instance. I do think it adds a dramatic complexity to our > > > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > and actions- esp. those "Freudian slips"! :-) Another possibilty > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > that the sc is a warehouse for our unresolved selves that pitch > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > twist in our minds during dreams or daydreams and sometimes > > > > > > > influence > > > > > > > solutions by interrupting logic, problem solving, comprehension or > > > > > > > relationships. It may also serve the purpose of keeping us honest- > > > > > > > somehow the mind has to find a balance- "acting as if" only goes > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > far. > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 5:13 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Mando, dont forget that our thoughts are also "merely > > > > > > > > things", and > > > > > > > > our sub-conscious also "thinks"; "emotion" is the great > > > > > > > > conductor. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2:18 pm, Mando <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > how are we easily swayed from our thought by merely things? > > > > > > > > > is that > > > > > > > > > humans are focused or controlled by the sub-conscious...- > > > > > > > > > Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -
