I can't watch Dr. Phil. I like the word "echoes"- the cure is to consider the source- eventually.
Re natural tendencies, we are lucky if we have an enviornment that brings out the best in us. On Jul 16, 8:56 am, Tony Orlow <[email protected]> wrote: > That's true, Rigsy. I guess what I was thinking was more in terms of > dealing with patterns of thought and behavior that adversely affect > our lives, like obsessions, phobias, anxiety, depression, etc. For > someone to be scared of a picture of a frog (I saw that on Dr Phil) is > ridiculous, but such phobias can be dealt with through desensitization > in stages. Likewise, I've found that depression usually comes from > internal echoes of self-deprecation, probably developed through > experience of deprecation from the outside, and training yourself to > chase such thoughts away is key. > > We all reflect our natural tendencies, in the context of our > environment, right? > > Peace, > > Tony > > On Jul 16, 7:45 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > True- we can understand our memories,etc. differently as we mature- > > but, they could be worse than our childhood understanding! Who really > > determines the logic of our thought patterns is of considerable > > importance- we can be brainwashed by religion, family, society, etc. > > > On Jul 15, 6:36 am, Tony Orlow <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Rigsy - > > > > I don't think we can expunge things from our memory, and I think > > > trying to do so may result in some discconnects that make feelings or > > > reactions "inexplicable". On the other hand, associations that are > > > subconsciously established in our memories may be sound and useful, or > > > may be unfortunate accidents resulting in either irrational fears or > > > irrational hopes. Those kind of associations can be turned around with > > > work, largely by applying our logical level of thinking to the > > > problem. Logic is there partly to check our emotions and confirm > > > whether what we feel makes sense or not. The level of our abstract > > > logical ability is really all that separates us from the other > > > animals, and I think it makes sense to cultivate it as much as > > > possible, without sacrificing our emotions and becoming Mr. Spock. > > > Emotions generally are based in some reality, and it's good to follow > > > your intuition, but that involves bringing our thoughts and feelings > > > into harmony with each other, so we're not fighting ourselves. > > > > Peace, > > > > Tony > > > > On Jul 15, 7:04 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Thank you, Tony and Paradox. > > > > > Except we can clean up our hard drive! > > > > > Maybe I should have said "reactions" rather than moods- esp. since > > > > females have the rep of being moody creatures. I'm not sure if it is > > > > memory or the sc that is triggered by irrational associations. > > > > > On Jul 15, 3:22 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Not as familiar with the terrain regarding imagination and creativity, > > > > > rigsy; but some thoughts; imagination probably employs the same object > > > > > representation and manipulation routines as event "simulation", > > > > > certainly occupies the same higher order region; the process is just > > > > > less well tethered; an analogy that comes to mind is that of the rider > > > > > whose handling on the reins becomes more adept the more confident he/ > > > > > she becomes, and the more conditioned the horse gets over time. > > > > > > Creativity is more difficult to pin down; my intuitive sense is that > > > > > it's probably defined in the versatility of transition of isomorphic > > > > > brain "states"; so its not so much a "discrete" attribute, but more a > > > > > "bell curve" function. > > > > > > Difficult to say about unexplained moods; could be the result of > > > > > chemical or homeostatic imbalances, tensions, unresolved mental > > > > > phenomena, or any of a long list of things really; what do you think? > > > > > > On Jul 14, 12:46 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Yes- that is too technical for me. :-) I see the sc as the hidden > > > > > > currents of a river- at least this morning that's my view. Where do > > > > > > you think imagination and creativity spring from? Or unexplainable > > > > > > moods? Or the irrational? Don't be too technical, please. > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 3:36 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Interesting psychoanalytic approach; i'm sort of a little closer > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the "technical" school; seems to me that dreams and phantasies are > > > > > > > pretty much the same "stuff" as conscious thought, but without the > > > > > > > coherence, constraints, and "echolocation" of input, cognition, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > the autobiographical self; in that sense, we think (neural > > > > > > > mapping) > > > > > > > pretty much 24/7, conscious, subconscious, or otherwise; it's > > > > > > > just so > > > > > > > much more elegant when we're conscious, or daydreaming, curiously > > > > > > > :). > > > > > > > > Re the "great conductor"; in this great cauldron of distributed > > > > > > > mapping, something has to "direct" and prioritise attention; > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > the job of dispositional affect (value), or emotion, through > > > > > > > amygdala, > > > > > > > hippocampus, and associated wide area networks. Antonio Damasio > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > produced some very interesting, very readable and easily > > > > > > > accessible > > > > > > > works in this area. > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 1:51 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The "great conductor" to where? The sc may color our thoughts > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > actions but I have a problem giving it a thought process > > > > > > > > similar to > > > > > > > > the ego or super-ego. The fact that we cannot control our sc > > > > > > > > makes us > > > > > > > > want to control it- it can be dangerous or embarassing or > > > > > > > > distracting, > > > > > > > > for instance. I do think it adds a dramatic complexity to our > > > > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > > and actions- esp. those "Freudian slips"! :-) Another > > > > > > > > possibilty is > > > > > > > > that the sc is a warehouse for our unresolved selves that pitch > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > twist in our minds during dreams or daydreams and sometimes > > > > > > > > influence > > > > > > > > solutions by interrupting logic, problem solving, comprehension > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > relationships. It may also serve the purpose of keeping us > > > > > > > > honest- > > > > > > > > somehow the mind has to find a balance- "acting as if" only > > > > > > > > goes so > > > > > > > > far. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 5:13 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mando, dont forget that our thoughts are also "merely > > > > > > > > > things", and > > > > > > > > > our sub-conscious also "thinks"; "emotion" is the great > > > > > > > > > conductor. > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2:18 pm, Mando <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > how are we easily swayed from our thought by merely things? > > > > > > > > > > is that > > > > > > > > > > humans are focused or controlled by the sub-conscious...- > > > > > > > > > > Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
