Imagine the feelings of the Native American Indians! They must have
placed a curse on us.

I think it's a loss of national identity and culture.

You can make laws but cannot force tolerance- just like you cannot
legislate morality or force someone to love.

No one really talks about the mess- it's too much of a powder keg or
an elephant in the parlor- but it's there, nonetheless. The far left
talks a good game but sends their children to private schools, etc.
The dance is one of avoidance.

On Jul 26, 3:03 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> The Norwegians and Danes tend to be laid back and will wait a long
> time for humour to emerge.  Along with the Swedes they are long on
> tolerance too, yet these peoples were once the Vikings.  They aren't
> keen on the foreign influences that immigration has brought, many
> feeling their tolerance is being exploited.  I hear much the same
> there as in Holland and England - whatever it is it's not racism, more
> a sense of loss and loss of freedom.
>
> On Jul 26, 12:41 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Like the centuries of various wars? The list is too long...
>
> > On Jul 25, 8:53 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Yeah, you're right, archytas; i've been to Oslo a couple of times
> > > myself and know a few Norwegians, i really dont know of a people with
> > > a more open and measured temperament as the Norwegians. To lose that
> > > would be the compound tragedy.
>
> > > And yeah, i really dont get the self mutilation thing in the absence
> > > of physical occupation; i guess its some delusional pathology that
> > > gets them to a place of paranoia.
>
> > > On Jul 24, 6:19 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > The Norwegian tragedy really got to me because I've been working in
> > > > Oslo - I feel more at home in Scandinavia than the UK.  There's a
> > > > personal tolerance we've lost here - yet it's also the case they have
> > > > so weird extremists.  Interesting, in a way, that just like most
> > > > Muslim terrorists, these people also tend to kill their own.
>
> > > > On Jul 24, 5:27 pm, paradox <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Yes...it's been a sombre weekend; the tragedy in Norway, the death of
> > > > > Amy Winehouse; the loss of such great promise. I guess that Freud
> > > > > lives through his lifelong works.
>
> > > > > On Jul 24, 1:46 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Re intentions of parents: The best often go awry, however.
>
> > > > > > Somehow the massacre in Norway recalled the bombing of Marine 
> > > > > > barracks
> > > > > > in Beruit plus other news and the sultry temps no longer kept my
> > > > > > attention. And the death of Lucian Freud, painter. Etc. Heavy 
> > > > > > thoughts
> > > > > > rather than temps.
>
> > > > > > Thank you- but don't have any Loggins on hand. I sort of quit with
> > > > > > Smashing Pumpkins, Nine Inch Nails et al. But your thought was 
> > > > > > sweet.
>
> > > > > > On Jul 23, 6:21 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Interested in the gaps rigsy; but i respect your privacy.
>
> > > > > > > Parents certainly dont have anything like the power to define or
> > > > > > > determine the lives of their children, you're absolutely right; 
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > just have, or feel they have (or ought to have) an overwhelming
> > > > > > > obligation to do everything possible to ensure a healthy, happy, 
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > prosperous life for their angels.
>
> > > > > > > Btw, a gentle breeze for those sultry nights..."Copa de Amor", by
> > > > > > > Kenny G :)
>
> > > > > > > On Jul 23, 2:00 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I just gave you the educational framework, paradox. I am 
> > > > > > > > guessing my
> > > > > > > > father's intention was to provide me with some stability. 
> > > > > > > > Filling in
> > > > > > > > the spaces is the rest of the story. So going back to school 
> > > > > > > > was a
> > > > > > > > natural choice later on.
>
> > > > > > > > I don't think parents have divine power over the lives of their
> > > > > > > > children. But I did/do have a tough guardian angel. :-)
>
> > > > > > > > I think some people enter the military to get their life in 
> > > > > > > > order- but
> > > > > > > > that's another subject.
>
> > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 1:26 pm, paradox <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > I guess its the thing about fathers, rigsy; we need to cover 
> > > > > > > > > off every
> > > > > > > > > one of life's angles for our little angels :)
>
> > > > > > > > > Sounds like you had a rich and diverse growth path; explains 
> > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > temperament, i think :)
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jul 21, 8:16 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > The humidity is lifting today- it's been awful!
>
> > > > > > > > > > I started boarding school at age 5- kindergarten till I was 
> > > > > > > > > > 10. Age
> > > > > > > > > > 7+two months at camp up north. I think both were my 
> > > > > > > > > > father's ideas-
> > > > > > > > > > for love of me.  It gave me order, disipline, education,
> > > > > > > > > > socialization...to cope with the rest of my life! :-) 
> > > > > > > > > > Later- female
> > > > > > > > > > Catholic high school and women's college for two years and 
> > > > > > > > > > I bailed
> > > > > > > > > > even though they were going to allow me to graduate in 3 
> > > > > > > > > > years. A big
> > > > > > > > > > mistake. I did sneak off to public school in 8th and 9th 
> > > > > > > > > > grades till
> > > > > > > > > > mother put her foot down. I finished up college at the state
> > > > > > > > > > university after my divorce then entered grad school but 
> > > > > > > > > > quit after 45
> > > > > > > > > > credits. My life would have been very different had my 
> > > > > > > > > > father lived-
> > > > > > > > > > it could have been worse! lol
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Jul 21, 11:58 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, i read that you're experiencing something of a 
> > > > > > > > > > > heatwave; lots of
> > > > > > > > > > > tropical cocktail delights then? :)
>
> > > > > > > > > > > So, you're the part product of a convent, rigsy? 
> > > > > > > > > > > Interesting; how did
> > > > > > > > > > > you find the experience?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 20, 2:39 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > I was happy to find Peggy Lee recorded this song though 
> > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't
> > > > > > > > > > > > heard it- I admired her voice along with Ella 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Fitzgerald's. This would
> > > > > > > > > > > > be a great day for Lee's "Fever". We have a heat index 
> > > > > > > > > > > > of 113 F.!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I have a pretty good memory of lyrics as mother 
> > > > > > > > > > > > wasn't a
> > > > > > > > > > > > storybook reader and the radio and 78 rpm records were 
> > > > > > > > > > > > my nursery
> > > > > > > > > > > > songs and stories until the nuns read to us or I could 
> > > > > > > > > > > > read on my own.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 17, 1:18 pm, paradox <[email protected]> 
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Phew; got so caught up in your ballad, i was just 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > about to singalong,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > caught myself just in time. Visions of my daughter's 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > animated
> > > > > > > > > > > > > exlamation..."Yes! I knew it! I told you so!" Lol.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The admiration's mutual...what?? That does't sound 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > right...? You know
> > > > > > > > > > > > > what i mean...: i think i need a lie down....lol.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 17, 1:30 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can admire men and still not want to be one! No, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > paradox, "I enjoy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a girl..." (song)
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 7:29 am, paradox <[email protected]> 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You dont know what you're missing, rigsy! lol.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 12:53 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could never be a man- in body form or 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > behavior. Thank you, Lord, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowing me to be a female!!! :-)
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 1:41 pm, paradox 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have quite some considerable experience of 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the emotional
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responsiveness of the fairer sex, rigsy :) 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, i think the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gender difference, if there is one, is more 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emotional maturity and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > honesty than anything "structural.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 12:04 pm, rigsy03 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Tony and Paradox.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except we can clean up our hard drive!
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe I should have said "reactions" rather 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than moods- esp. since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > females have the rep of being moody 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creatures. I'm not sure if it is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > memory or the sc that is triggered by 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > irrational associations.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 3:22 am, paradox 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not as familiar with the terrain 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding imagination and creativity,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rigsy; but some thoughts; imagination 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably employs the same object
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > representation and manipulation routines 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as event "simulation",
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly occupies the same higher order 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > region; the process is just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less well tethered; an analogy that comes 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to mind is that of the rider
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose handling on the reins becomes more 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept the more confident he/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she becomes, and the more conditioned the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horse gets over time.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Creativity is more difficult to pin down; 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my intuitive sense is that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's probably defined in the versatility 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of transition of isomorphic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brain "states"; so its not so much a 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "discrete" attribute, but more a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "bell curve" function.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Difficult to say about unexplained moods; 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could be the result of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chemical or homeostatic imbalances, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tensions, unresolved mental
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phenomena, or any of a long list of 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things really; what do you think?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 12:46 pm, rigsy03 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes- that is too technical for me. :-) 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see the sc as the hidden
>
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