My question comes to what is worth praying for? Allan On 5 aug. 2011, at 15:46, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yes it makes me wonder with your words here and Jo's words a few posts > back if prayer used this way is akin to magic? > > On Aug 5, 2:41 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> Prayer can settle ones nerves until you think of a real solution >> yourself. :-) I- and many others- quit the Catholic Church when they >> discarded the Latin ritual but there was no substitute in other sects >> and faiths. Some remained- just enough- to have a basicila or >> cathedral for weddings and funerals but took/take their faith >> cafeteria style. >> >> On Aug 5, 4:04 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Heh that has not been my experiances Jo. I would say that true prayer >>> is praise for God that and nowt else. >> >>> Prayer to ask God for help I do not belive works at all. I gues your >>> own experiances I would put down to good old fashioned coincidance. >> >>> On Aug 4, 7:11 pm, Jo <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> Prayer works! Especially if you get a large group to pray together for >>>> the same outcome (within reason, the group has to believe that what >>>> they're praying for is possible). And they don't even have to have the >>>> same religious beliefs. They can be a mixture of Christians, Muslims, >>>> Buddhists and New Agers. At least that's been my observation so far. >>>> The larger the group the better the outcome. >> >>>> On Aug 4, 10:08 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> Indeed Jo(and welcome from me BTW). >> >>>>> What would you say is the role of prayer? >> >>>>> On Jul 28, 5:53 pm, Jo <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>> We never went church while I was growing up. However, I do believe >>>>>> that a higher power does exist. I also believe that we are somehow >>>>>> connected to it. Worship for me has always been about giving thanks >>>>>> and counting my blessings. >> >>>>>> On Jul 27, 8:25 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>> If we are completely bound by the will of God it follows that >>>>>>> everything is done by God , and hence it is God who would be >>>>>>> worshiping God which to me appears ridiculous. If you believe yourself >>>>>>> to be an emanation of God and completely controlled by Him it would be >>>>>>> lack of wisdom to worship Him. God is our innermost being and is not >>>>>>> separate from us , but you can only worship someone separate from you >>>>>>> which is inconsistent with our belief that God is our essence. Either >>>>>>> believe God to be separate from you , in which case it would be proper >>>>>>> to worship Him like loving someone , or believe Him to be your Being >>>>>>> and hence act with an attitude of equality to all and looking at >>>>>>> everyone animate or inanimate with an equal eye. As for reaching a >>>>>>> state of calmness and peace I am far from it but it is my resolve to >>>>>>> be so. >> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Menfranco Laws <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> I see what you mean and I believe that you have reached a stage of >>>>>>>> calmness and peace, otherwise you would not have written what you have >>>>>>>> written about we all being part of God in this thread. But I would >>>>>>>> like to ask you a question to your statement where you say that there >>>>>>>> is no wisdom in worshipping our creator; my objection to that is that >>>>>>>> I believe that man needs to pray God, so that they may feel protected >>>>>>>> from God; I believe that it is one of the needs and the reason why we >>>>>>>> have religions? >> >>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 4:35 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I do not say that I have reached a peaceful state , I only say that on >>>>>>>>> gaining knowledge of the Truth one should strive to reach a state of >>>>>>>>> calmness and peace. By Knowledge I mean a logical conclusion about the >>>>>>>>> nature of Reality and not any transcendental experience. >> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Menfranco Laws <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hi, RP Singh; These are indeed words of wisdom when you say: What I >>>>>>>>>> feel, think and do is totally bound by the spirit within me and the >>>>>>>>>> same is true for everyone else; but then, you assume that you are >>>>>>>>>> part >>>>>>>>>> of God and therefore everybody should be or feel that they are part >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> God, so in reality you are saying that God is pandemic in nature and >>>>>>>>>> we live within God life force, am I right? >>>>>>>>>> But, I have to say that not everybody has reached this peaceful >>>>>>>>>> feeling within them selves that you have achieved, I believe that you >>>>>>>>>> are one of the few that has this feeling about being part of God and >>>>>>>>>> you are blessed, the rest of us just think that we may not be worthy >>>>>>>>>> enough of being part of God, therefore during our lives we are trying >>>>>>>>>> to achieve what you have achieved for yourself and we hope to >>>>>>>>>> understand you fully when we reach our goal. >>>>>>>>>> I wish you all the best >>>>>>>>>> Menfranco >> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 24, 6:25 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> What I feel , think and do is totally bound by the spirit within me >>>>>>>>>>> and the same is true for everyone else. So , if I think of God >>>>>>>>>>> separate from me I am thinking wrongly ; as our innermost being is >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> same in all and all of us follow his dictates totally there is no >>>>>>>>>>> wisdom in worshiping our creator as albeit we are Him. It is >>>>>>>>>>> ignorance to worship yourself. God is in all and it is God who does >>>>>>>>>>> everything as all our bound totally by Him. We should have a feeling >>>>>>>>>>> of love for all as essentially we are one and not harbour enemity >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> those of us who are ignorant of the Truth and enjoy hurting others. >>>>>>>>>>> When a person knows that all are One then he attains a state of >>>>>>>>>>> calmness and if not he should try to achieve that peaceful state. >>>>>>>>>>> But >>>>>>>>>>> of course we cannot cut the ties that bind us through this body and >>>>>>>>>>> have a practical outlook.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text -
