Nothing is worth praying for and indeed I do not belive that praying for things works at all.
On Aug 5, 8:29 pm, Allan Heretic <[email protected]> wrote: > My question comes to what is worth praying for? > Allan > > On 5 aug. 2011, at 15:46, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes it makes me wonder with your words here and Jo's words a few posts > > back if prayer used this way is akin to magic? > > > On Aug 5, 2:41 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Prayer can settle ones nerves until you think of a real solution > >> yourself. :-) I- and many others- quit the Catholic Church when they > >> discarded the Latin ritual but there was no substitute in other sects > >> and faiths. Some remained- just enough- to have a basicila or > >> cathedral for weddings and funerals but took/take their faith > >> cafeteria style. > > >> On Aug 5, 4:04 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> Heh that has not been my experiances Jo. I would say that true prayer > >>> is praise for God that and nowt else. > > >>> Prayer to ask God for help I do not belive works at all. I gues your > >>> own experiances I would put down to good old fashioned coincidance. > > >>> On Aug 4, 7:11 pm, Jo <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> Prayer works! Especially if you get a large group to pray together for > >>>> the same outcome (within reason, the group has to believe that what > >>>> they're praying for is possible). And they don't even have to have the > >>>> same religious beliefs. They can be a mixture of Christians, Muslims, > >>>> Buddhists and New Agers. At least that's been my observation so far. > >>>> The larger the group the better the outcome. > > >>>> On Aug 4, 10:08 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>> Indeed Jo(and welcome from me BTW). > > >>>>> What would you say is the role of prayer? > > >>>>> On Jul 28, 5:53 pm, Jo <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> We never went church while I was growing up. However, I do believe > >>>>>> that a higher power does exist. I also believe that we are somehow > >>>>>> connected to it. Worship for me has always been about giving thanks > >>>>>> and counting my blessings. > > >>>>>> On Jul 27, 8:25 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>> If we are completely bound by the will of God it follows that > >>>>>>> everything is done by God , and hence it is God who would be > >>>>>>> worshiping God which to me appears ridiculous. If you believe yourself > >>>>>>> to be an emanation of God and completely controlled by Him it would be > >>>>>>> lack of wisdom to worship Him. God is our innermost being and is not > >>>>>>> separate from us , but you can only worship someone separate from you > >>>>>>> which is inconsistent with our belief that God is our essence. Either > >>>>>>> believe God to be separate from you , in which case it would be proper > >>>>>>> to worship Him like loving someone , or believe Him to be your Being > >>>>>>> and hence act with an attitude of equality to all and looking at > >>>>>>> everyone animate or inanimate with an equal eye. As for reaching a > >>>>>>> state of calmness and peace I am far from it but it is my resolve to > >>>>>>> be so. > > >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Menfranco Laws <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> I see what you mean and I believe that you have reached a stage of > >>>>>>>> calmness and peace, otherwise you would not have written what you > >>>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>> written about we all being part of God in this thread. But I would > >>>>>>>> like to ask you a question to your statement where you say that there > >>>>>>>> is no wisdom in worshipping our creator; my objection to that is that > >>>>>>>> I believe that man needs to pray God, so that they may feel protected > >>>>>>>> from God; I believe that it is one of the needs and the reason why we > >>>>>>>> have religions? > > >>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 4:35 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> I do not say that I have reached a peaceful state , I only say that > >>>>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>>> gaining knowledge of the Truth one should strive to reach a state of > >>>>>>>>> calmness and peace. By Knowledge I mean a logical conclusion about > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> nature of Reality and not any transcendental experience. > > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Menfranco Laws > >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Hi, RP Singh; These are indeed words of wisdom when you say: What I > >>>>>>>>>> feel, think and do is totally bound by the spirit within me and the > >>>>>>>>>> same is true for everyone else; but then, you assume that you are > >>>>>>>>>> part > >>>>>>>>>> of God and therefore everybody should be or feel that they are > >>>>>>>>>> part of > >>>>>>>>>> God, so in reality you are saying that God is pandemic in nature > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> we live within God life force, am I right? > >>>>>>>>>> But, I have to say that not everybody has reached this peaceful > >>>>>>>>>> feeling within them selves that you have achieved, I believe that > >>>>>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>>>> are one of the few that has this feeling about being part of God > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> you are blessed, the rest of us just think that we may not be > >>>>>>>>>> worthy > >>>>>>>>>> enough of being part of God, therefore during our lives we are > >>>>>>>>>> trying > >>>>>>>>>> to achieve what you have achieved for yourself and we hope to > >>>>>>>>>> understand you fully when we reach our goal. > >>>>>>>>>> I wish you all the best > >>>>>>>>>> Menfranco > > >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 24, 6:25 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> What I feel , think and do is totally bound by the spirit within > >>>>>>>>>>> me > >>>>>>>>>>> and the same is true for everyone else. So , if I think of God > >>>>>>>>>>> separate from me I am thinking wrongly ; as our innermost being > >>>>>>>>>>> is the > >>>>>>>>>>> same in all and all of us follow his dictates totally there is no > >>>>>>>>>>> wisdom in worshiping our creator as albeit we are Him. It is > >>>>>>>>>>> ignorance to worship yourself. God is in all and it is God who > >>>>>>>>>>> does > >>>>>>>>>>> everything as all our bound totally by Him. We should have a > >>>>>>>>>>> feeling > >>>>>>>>>>> of love for all as essentially we are one and not harbour enemity > >>>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>> those of us who are ignorant of the Truth and enjoy hurting > >>>>>>>>>>> others. > >>>>>>>>>>> When a person knows that all are One then he attains a state of > >>>>>>>>>>> calmness and if not he should try to achieve that peaceful state. > >>>>>>>>>>> But > >>>>>>>>>>> of course we cannot cut the ties that bind us through this body > >>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>> have a practical outlook.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
