Well that is called propaganda it is used a great deal in the american politics as well as else where. Most of it is done by controlling the news feeding you only the information they want you to hear..
It is used by religions and beliefs systems to an extreme extent.. Allan On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 11:09 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote: > Lee, one example would be that I feel certain that the Nazi's could > have pursuaded me quite easily. > > On Aug 8, 4:11 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hahah OM I expected no less. > > > > Let me then ask by what mechanicsm is it possible for somebody to > > force you into makeing a choice you do not wish to make? > > > > On Aug 8, 11:46 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Lee, beyond the more subtle ideas associated with free will/choice, my > > > answer to your question is: Yes! > > > > > On Aug 8, 3:07 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Ohh I disagree with this entirley Rigsy. > > > > > > At the time the Minds says take action B, then we have made a choice. > > > > I question the ability of things to force a desicion from us and I'l > > > > ask once again is it possible for somebody to force anybody into > > > > makeing a choice that they do not want to? > > > > > > On Aug 6, 2:22 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I disagree that we possess or always have free will at our > disposal- > > > > > even the civil laws make distinctions. We are forced onto many > paths > > > > > and decisions- softly or harshly. > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 2:04 pm, Allan Heretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > You lays have free will no matter how you seeing it created. It > is the consequences of those choices that can be a bitch, > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On 4 aug. 2011, at 17:48, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > There are a number of approaches to this question, Jo; but > essentially > > > > > > > and in summary (and i do a great injustice to a very powerful > > > > > > > philosophical school), the deterministic tradition suggests > that since > > > > > > > we''re fundamentally bounded chemical systems immersed in a > "sea" of > > > > > > > ever more elaborate chemical processes, regulated by immutable > > > > > > > (replicable and predictive) physical laws, and nothing else > (which > > > > > > > takes you back to the mind/brain question), our actions are no > more > > > > > > > than expressions of these chemical processes, constrained at an > > > > > > > aggregate level by universal physical laws. When we think we > make > > > > > > > decisions based on choice, it is the mind "stroking" itself > since, in > > > > > > > terms of "proximate" action, we know that our decisions are > preceeded > > > > > > > in time by a neuro-electrcal "footprint" (interesting work by > Benjamin > > > > > > > Libet, presented in his book "Mind Time"); and in terms of more > > > > > > > deliberative action, we are pretty certain to make the same > decisions > > > > > > > over and over again given the same set of variables, since our > > > > > > > cognition is hard wired, and its operations are governed by the > self > > > > > > > same chemical processes and physical laws. Hence the question: > do we > > > > > > > have free will? and if we do, how much free will do we have? > > > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 7:44 pm, Jo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> I don't understand how some can say we don't have free will. > You can > > > > > > >> choose to do anything you want at any given time. How is that > not free > > > > > > >> will? > > > > > > > > >> On Aug 2, 12:51 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> "We have access to a technology that would have looked like > sorcery in > > > > > > >>> Descartes's day: the ability to peer inside someone's head > and read > > > > > > >>> their thoughts. Unfortunately, that doesn't take us any > nearer to > > > > > > >>> knowing whether they are sentient. "Even if you measure > brainwaves, > > > > > > >>> you can never know exactly what experience they represent," > says > > > > > > >>> psychologist Bruce Hood at the University of Bristol, UK. If > > > > > > >>> anything, brain scanning has undermined Descartes's maxim. > You, too, > > > > > > >>> might be a zombie. "I happen to be one myself," says Stanford > > > > > > >>> University philosopher Paul Skokowski. "And so, even if you > don't > > > > > > >>> realise it, are you." Skokowski's assertion is based on the > belief, > > > > > > >>> particularly common among neuroscientists who study brain > scans, that > > > > > > >>> we do not have free will. There is no ghost in the machine; > our > > > > > > >>> actions are driven by brain states that lie entirely beyond > our > > > > > > >>> control. "I think, therefore I am" might be an illusion. > > > > > > >>> So, it may well be that you live in a computer simulation in > which you > > > > > > >>> are the only self-aware creature. I could well be a zombie > and so > > > > > > >>> could you. Have an interesting day." (from a recent New > Scientist) > > > > > > > > >>> We range over debates in free will and what it is to be > human. So far > > > > > > >>> we haven't established free will or even that we are not > merely > > > > > > >>> avatars in 'something else's game'. > > > > > > > > >>> I wonder whether there are advantages in considering > ourselves as > > > > > > >>> creatures limited by programming and also capable of it?- > Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
