They will design their own moral code and incorporate your values also. To relate the outcome of my four children- the straight arrow is estranged from all of us while the children who were a huge challenge at various times and I remain very close. And I have seen so many surprise consequences/outcomes in other families- in fact, I am a surprise to myself. Off to breakfast.
On Aug 19, 6:44 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > Heheh yeah that is the lot of the parent I think. Of course I > understand that ultimatly my kids will leave home and live by their > own morality, but ahhhh until then they are subject to mine! > Mwhahahahahah! > > On Aug 19, 12:35 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I thought I ran a "tight ship' but later discovered there were leaks! > > > On Aug 19, 6:16 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Sure Gabs. > > > > Punishment is simply the act of allocating a just response to an > > > imorral action. > > > > In my duties as a father, I can be hard nosed, I expect a certian > > > standard of moral behaviour form my childen and have been known to > > > dish out punishments for transgretions. > > > > If I catch one of my sons stealing then they will pay the money back > > > and may gain themselves a grounding to boot, or a timed ban from the > > > PC, Xbox, playstation. > > > > When we punish children it is to teach them that there are > > > consequences for their actions. > > > > This does not stop at adulthood. If an adult steals money then > > > punishment needs to be applied. Pay the money back to your victim and > > > then spend some time in prison. > > > > Take anothers life, spend the rest of your life in prison. > > > > Destroy anothers property then pay to have it rebuilt, and spend some > > > time in prison. > > > > If you commit a crime then you must be made to face the consequences > > > of your actions. > > > > On Aug 19, 10:26 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Here is a slightly rendered version of the > > > > scene:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bgEHAKcG9k&feature=related... > > > > > read more » > > > > > But tell us, Lee, what do you understand by punishment? Could you give > > > > us > > > > one, two, three, four examples for us to get a feel for it? > > > > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Lee Douglas > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > Hey Gabs, > > > > > > I have not yet got around to watching that, yeah yeah I know. But > > > > > again an eye for an eye punishment is not what I would advocate. I > > > > > see that kind of thought as more akin to revenge than punishment. > > > > > > On Aug 18, 6:20 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > How about the an-eye-for-an-eye comparison as the "pure > > > > > > punishment"? A > > > > > > Clockwork Orange comes to mind .. the eye scene.. as far as I > > > > > > remember it > > > > > > didn't work then. Do you know what I mean?... > > > > > > > read more » > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Lee Douglas > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > Hah are you trying to make a comparision with my stance and the > > > > > > > Arabian crime and punishment system? > > > > > > > > It's a false comparision, I have not called for theives to have > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > hands cut off. > > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 1:47 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Prisons are an industry over here- like nursing homes. Pure > > > > > punishment > > > > > > > > exisits in Arabia, doesn't it? > > > > > > > > > Is war/terrorism also a punishment? > > > > > > > > > Prisons place wrong-doers out of sight, out of mind so > > > > > > > > commerce and > > > > > > > > entertainment are not interrupted. > > > > > > > > > Ask the super rich about how much they need, Lee, for they are > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > force that drives society. The rioters were clear- they were > > > > > > > > showing > > > > > > > > the rich that they also had a right to luxury goods. They are > > > > > > > > surrounded with images and public figures that flaunt > > > > > > > > possessions and > > > > > > > > wealth so you have to understand why they want a piece of the > > > > > > > > action/ > > > > > > > > pie Plus a nation's wars/colonizations are a form of greed, > > > > > > > > aren't > > > > > > > > they? > > > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 7:28 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Naaaa prisons in this country are still oppeating under the > > > > > Victorian > > > > > > > > > principle of rehabilitation. I think the majority of us would > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > see them setup as pure punishment for crimes commited, I am > > > > > > > > > one of > > > > > > > > > these. > > > > > > > > > > I for one do not feel smugness, but I do think wrong doing > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > punished. I mean we punish our children, why not then punish > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > adults? > > > > > > > > > > Yes debt. But the thing with this debt is it has been with > > > > > > > > > us for > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > looong time now, why the sudden rush to pay it back? Given > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > global > > > > > > > > > fiscal situation I would rather see some loving feelings > > > > > > > > > going on > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > those who we owe. Take down the intrest rate, give us longer > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > perhaps similar to the drive a while back for Africa, scrap > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > dept, > > > > > > > > > yeah! > > > > > > > > > > Greed, man it is the ruining of this world. How much does one > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > need? > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 12:59 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > What are prisons but holding pens so society feels smug > > > > > > > > > > about its > > > > > > > > > > culture? > > > > > > > > > > > There are probably enough hospitals and schools- what's > > > > > > > > > > missing > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > methods, cost controls, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > Britain and the USA are broke/in debt. China is > > > > > > > > > > over-extended. > > > > > Etc. > > > > > > > > > > > The best way out of debt is not to spend money you don't > > > > > > > > > > have and > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > off debts as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 6:37 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It does seem ludicrus to me that with an ever expanding > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > that next to nowt has been done to expand our > > > > > > > > > > > infrastructure. > > > > > We > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > to be building more prisions, more hospitals, more > > > > > > > > > > > shcools, > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > social houseing. I mean that is common sense innit? > > > > > > > > > > > > It also occours to me that amongst the very best ways out > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > recision > > > > > > > > > > > is building. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 12:31 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > You will also wind up paying higher taxes for those > > > > > > > > > > > > that are > > > > > sent > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > prison according to a lawyer on BBC radio last night. I > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > he > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > prisons are already burdened with 86,000 souls (but the > > > > > > > > > > > > USA > > > > > beats > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > figure by miles). It sounds like the courts are swamped > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > handing > > > > > > > > > > > > down stiff sentences so the country can repair its moral > > > > > > > core/civil > > > > > > > > > > > > behavior. Besides, the Olympics are coming up and after > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > that > > > > > > > money > > > > > > > > > > > > is invested, one would not want to frighten away the > > > > > tourists- > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > they have in the Middle East. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 17, 7:34 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't worry, archy. You will be paying higher > > > > > > > > > > > > > insurance > > > > > > > premiums to > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover the losses anyway. Trickle down justice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 17, 7:18 pm, archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Orn is right. Rationalists are often > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible > > > > > > > fantasists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading highly disturbed lives. But if emotions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are an > > > > > ever > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as I'd agree, one can deny them to some degree if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can > > > > > > > catch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself (and as importantly others) in them when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moral > > > > > > > judgement runs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > afoot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That we are brainless in this area as a general > > > > > population is > > > > > > > obvious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from reaction to the UK 'riots' and demands for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavy > > > > > > > punishments (our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > courts are berserk at the moment) for these people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > can't > > > > > > > even see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that we are being looted by the rich and are not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > investigating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm an advocate of modern National Service that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > involve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disciplined work but not necessarily armed service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - but > > > > > we > > > > > > > can't pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for it because the rich have looted the money and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disproportionate influence on government through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > rotten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accumulations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should be some time to such reactions before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deciding, > > > > > but > > > > > > > if one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives power such time it usually steal the moment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > decision for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 17, 11:45 am, Lee Douglas < > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ohh Rigys, i don't doubt for a second that thoese > > > > > > > effecthave every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right to be angry, I question wether or not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morality is > > > > > > > best served > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with any emotional attachment. I have used anger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as an > > > > > > > example, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really I mean all emotions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A freind of mine posted on facebook something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > along the > > > > > > > lines of bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back national servic, as a punishment for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looters. > > > > > This > > > > > > > was said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in anger and when it comes down to it, is it a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > idea to > > > > > > > teach > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
