Yes indeed they will, and maybe even drop some of my values. At the moment I'm extramly pleased with not only my relationship with them but their own individual foibles.
My youngest, refused to let his big brother take one of his PS3 games away to his mates house a few days ago, his reason was that he had lost a game and assumed that his brother had lent it out and lost it. I got involved and told the boy that he was beinf selfish and if his brother has said that he has not touched his game then I belive him. Anyway I'm not the type to disregard my kids wishes and so told my oldest tough luck son you're brother is choosing to be selfish and if he says no, then no it is. The very same day the younger one found his game down the back of his chest of draws, underneath some lost socks and pants. As soon as his older brother came home I heard him say: 'Umm Tan, I owe you an aplogy, I found my game, sorry I was being selfish, I was angry coz I thought you was lying to me.' After a while I went to see my youngest in his bedroom I knocked on the door he said come in, I walked in and sat down on the bed next to him and said can I have a quick word Con. I told him that I heard what he said to his brother, and told him how proud I was of his desicion to applogise, he said yeah sorry dad I was being selfish, we hugged it out, and he offerd to lend his brother the game he wanted to take to his mates. Enyoy ya brekkie, I have just finshed me lunch. On Aug 19, 12:55 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > They will design their own moral code and incorporate your values > also. To relate the outcome of my four children- the straight arrow is > estranged from all of us while the children who were a huge challenge > at various times and I remain very close. And I have seen so many > surprise consequences/outcomes in other families- in fact, I am a > surprise to myself. Off to breakfast. > > On Aug 19, 6:44 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Heheh yeah that is the lot of the parent I think. Of course I > > understand that ultimatly my kids will leave home and live by their > > own morality, but ahhhh until then they are subject to mine! > > Mwhahahahahah! > > > On Aug 19, 12:35 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I thought I ran a "tight ship' but later discovered there were leaks! > > > > On Aug 19, 6:16 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Sure Gabs. > > > > > Punishment is simply the act of allocating a just response to an > > > > imorral action. > > > > > In my duties as a father, I can be hard nosed, I expect a certian > > > > standard of moral behaviour form my childen and have been known to > > > > dish out punishments for transgretions. > > > > > If I catch one of my sons stealing then they will pay the money back > > > > and may gain themselves a grounding to boot, or a timed ban from the > > > > PC, Xbox, playstation. > > > > > When we punish children it is to teach them that there are > > > > consequences for their actions. > > > > > This does not stop at adulthood. If an adult steals money then > > > > punishment needs to be applied. Pay the money back to your victim and > > > > then spend some time in prison. > > > > > Take anothers life, spend the rest of your life in prison. > > > > > Destroy anothers property then pay to have it rebuilt, and spend some > > > > time in prison. > > > > > If you commit a crime then you must be made to face the consequences > > > > of your actions. > > > > > On Aug 19, 10:26 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Here is a slightly rendered version of the > > > > > scene:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bgEHAKcG9k&feature=related... > > > > > > read more » > > > > > > But tell us, Lee, what do you understand by punishment? Could you > > > > > give us > > > > > one, two, three, four examples for us to get a feel for it? > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Lee Douglas > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Gabs, > > > > > > > I have not yet got around to watching that, yeah yeah I know. But > > > > > > again an eye for an eye punishment is not what I would advocate. I > > > > > > see that kind of thought as more akin to revenge than punishment. > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 6:20 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > How about the an-eye-for-an-eye comparison as the "pure > > > > > > > punishment"? A > > > > > > > Clockwork Orange comes to mind .. the eye scene.. as far as I > > > > > > > remember it > > > > > > > didn't work then. Do you know what I mean?... > > > > > > > > read more » > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Lee Douglas > > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hah are you trying to make a comparision with my stance and the > > > > > > > > Arabian crime and punishment system? > > > > > > > > > It's a false comparision, I have not called for theives to have > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > hands cut off. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 1:47 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Prisons are an industry over here- like nursing homes. Pure > > > > > > punishment > > > > > > > > > exisits in Arabia, doesn't it? > > > > > > > > > > Is war/terrorism also a punishment? > > > > > > > > > > Prisons place wrong-doers out of sight, out of mind so > > > > > > > > > commerce and > > > > > > > > > entertainment are not interrupted. > > > > > > > > > > Ask the super rich about how much they need, Lee, for they > > > > > > > > > are the > > > > > > > > > force that drives society. The rioters were clear- they were > > > > > > > > > showing > > > > > > > > > the rich that they also had a right to luxury goods. They are > > > > > > > > > surrounded with images and public figures that flaunt > > > > > > > > > possessions and > > > > > > > > > wealth so you have to understand why they want a piece of the > > > > > > > > > action/ > > > > > > > > > pie Plus a nation's wars/colonizations are a form of greed, > > > > > > > > > aren't > > > > > > > > > they? > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 7:28 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Naaaa prisons in this country are still oppeating under the > > > > > > Victorian > > > > > > > > > > principle of rehabilitation. I think the majority of us > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > see them setup as pure punishment for crimes commited, I am > > > > > > > > > > one of > > > > > > > > > > these. > > > > > > > > > > > I for one do not feel smugness, but I do think wrong doing > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > punished. I mean we punish our children, why not then > > > > > > > > > > punish our > > > > > > > > > > adults? > > > > > > > > > > > Yes debt. But the thing with this debt is it has been with > > > > > > > > > > us for > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > looong time now, why the sudden rush to pay it back? Given > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > global > > > > > > > > > > fiscal situation I would rather see some loving feelings > > > > > > > > > > going on > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > those who we owe. Take down the intrest rate, give us > > > > > > > > > > longer or > > > > > > > > > > perhaps similar to the drive a while back for Africa, scrap > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > dept, > > > > > > > > > > yeah! > > > > > > > > > > > Greed, man it is the ruining of this world. How much does > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > need? > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 12:59 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > What are prisons but holding pens so society feels smug > > > > > > > > > > > about its > > > > > > > > > > > culture? > > > > > > > > > > > > There are probably enough hospitals and schools- what's > > > > > > > > > > > missing > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > methods, cost controls, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Britain and the USA are broke/in debt. China is > > > > > > > > > > > over-extended. > > > > > > Etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > The best way out of debt is not to spend money you don't > > > > > > > > > > > have and > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > off debts as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 6:37 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > It does seem ludicrus to me that with an ever expanding > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > that next to nowt has been done to expand our > > > > > > > > > > > > infrastructure. > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > to be building more prisions, more hospitals, more > > > > > > > > > > > > shcools, > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > social houseing. I mean that is common sense innit? > > > > > > > > > > > > > It also occours to me that amongst the very best ways > > > > > > > > > > > > out of > > > > > > > > recision > > > > > > > > > > > > is building. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 12:31 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You will also wind up paying higher taxes for those > > > > > > > > > > > > > that are > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > prison according to a lawyer on BBC radio last night. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > prisons are already burdened with 86,000 souls (but > > > > > > > > > > > > > the USA > > > > > > beats > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > figure by miles). It sounds like the courts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > swamped and > > > > > > > > handing > > > > > > > > > > > > > down stiff sentences so the country can repair its > > > > > > > > > > > > > moral > > > > > > > > core/civil > > > > > > > > > > > > > behavior. Besides, the Olympics are coming up and > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > money > > > > > > > > > > > > > is invested, one would not want to frighten away the > > > > > > tourists- > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > they have in the Middle East. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 17, 7:34 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't worry, archy. You will be paying higher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insurance > > > > > > > > premiums to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover the losses anyway. Trickle down justice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 17, 7:18 pm, archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Orn is right. Rationalists are often > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible > > > > > > > > fantasists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading highly disturbed lives. But if emotions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are an > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as I'd agree, one can deny them to some degree if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can > > > > > > > > catch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself (and as importantly others) in them when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moral > > > > > > > > judgement runs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > afoot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That we are brainless in this area as a general > > > > > > population is > > > > > > > > obvious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from reaction to the UK 'riots' and demands for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavy > > > > > > > > punishments (our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > courts are berserk at the moment) for these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people but > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > even see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that we are being looted by the rich and are not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > investigating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm an advocate of modern National Service that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > involve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disciplined work but not necessarily armed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service - but > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > can't pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for it because the rich have looted the money and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disproportionate influence on government through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > rotten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accumulations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should be some time to such reactions before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deciding, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > if one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives power such time it usually steal the moment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > decision for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 17, 11:45 am, Lee Douglas <- Hide quoted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text - > > - Show quoted text -... > > read more »
