Yeah, i guess :)
On Aug 27, 3:03 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > archy is eclectic if nothing > else.http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=consensus+protocols+in+cockroache... > > On Aug 27, 3:29 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "Consensus protocols in cockroaches..."?? Sigh...how do you do it? Not > > a jolly clue...lol. > > > On Aug 27, 9:46 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I was thinking more about how we could identify ignorance in reaction > > > to see if we could find ways of putting it right in ways argument > > > doesn't unless you are open to a change of world view. We somehow > > > need the world-view protocols attached to what is said to know what is > > > being argued or decided. One can spot consensus protocols in > > > cockroaches so why not in humans? They may act to kill dialogue. > > > > On Aug 25, 6:57 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Perhaps with a long enough view and a wide enough perspective, Molly, > > > > its perhaps not so much the emergence of a new order but a changing of > > > > the guard. > > > > > On Aug 20, 1:51 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Creating order from chaos requires entering into the chaos. We are > > > > > often too content to rest in outdated but comfortable social orders. > > > > > The balance of individual and consensus reality becomes infinite in > > > > > mutual creativity. Finding and maintaining that point in experience > > > > > is a real challenge. Once found, old orders fall away, new orders are > > > > > created, the circles of familiarity become smaller and at the same > > > > > time eternal as folks capable of sharing the unseen unite in action. > > > > > Rome burns, and a new order emerges. Yet all we can see or feel is > > > > > Rome burning. Why? > > > > > > On Aug 20, 2:57 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/08/civil-disorder-and-loo... > > > > > > > We had riots in England a couple of weeks ago. Our media was full > > > > > > of > > > > > > people, including reporters, stating this was a new issue and > > > > > > unprecedented. I did not believe this as I watched - though I did > > > > > > see > > > > > > a great deal I recognised from GTA games. The above link to the > > > > > > Economist makes use of a book by Pearson I read years ago - it > > > > > > casts a > > > > > > very different view that our riots were really only history > > > > > > repeating > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > I don't believe human thought can 'rid itself' of emotional response > > > > > > (or should). I do believe we can do better than 'knee-jerk > > > > > > reactions' > > > > > > - but I also believe this is quite difficult and beyond many people > > > > > > left to their own devices. I believe our democracies are weak at > > > > > > the > > > > > > moment and that this is because we can't argue very well - hence > > > > > > politicians appeal to much that is populist and wrong using highly > > > > > > dubious techniques. > > > > > > > I'm sure I could identify the protocols that appeal to 'ignorant > > > > > > Idols' that lead to situations of 'nopolitics' in our societies and > > > > > > thus the rule of the very rich through "economics" in a way far more > > > > > > centralised than any politburo. > > > > > > > I've pretty much given up on democracy. Teaching is very > > > > > > frustrating > > > > > > because you want to encourage self-learning and resourceful human > > > > > > beings and also know this is too much for most - democracy is > > > > > > similar. The struggle is knowing this and not wanting to be elitist > > > > > > and sneer at others. I succeed a bit in 'adventures with ideas' but > > > > > > the same mistakes in reaction crop up time and time and time again > > > > > > in > > > > > > wider social action. > > > > > > > I wonder if outing the protocols of the dreary positions people take > > > > > > in reaction could help us actually find dialogue?- Hide quoted text > > > > > > - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
