*dying laughing* Putin? Wow.
No, I have no desire to "whip the group into shape". In fact, the only reason I engaged in the conversation to begin with was because of the concerns presented regarding how Allen was treated. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 2:49 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > I hate to correct you, Neil, but correcting other's words in Chris's > understanding is Rugby and is being promoted as to bring him fame on > obnoxi.us. Add the Cricket layer and enter the backend and you'll see the > grammar reformation before things are allowed to be presented on the > frontend. Then you get the game. > > > On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 8:26 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> he sat naked and drunk in a room of summer >> night, running the blade of the knife >> under his fingernails, smiling, thinking >> of all the letters he had received >> telling him that >> the way he lived and wrote about >> that-- >> it had kept them going when >> all seemed >> truly >> hopeless. >> >> putting the blade on the table, he >> flicked it with a finger >> and it whirled >> in a flashing circle >> under the light. >> >> who the hell is going to save >> me? he >> thought. >> I suppose I have come to associate more violence and nasty offence >> amongst the 'mannered',les saluds, as it were, than those venting >> frustration in the effs and jeffs, to the point I think the first >> insult is to restrict others' words. This said, SNERTS remain >> despicable. I'm afraid we would have excluded Dillon Thomas and my >> own favourite master of comic swearing,the lamented Hovis Presley. >> Just before Orn's ox jaw-bone fell, Allan was being invited to that >> most quaint of English pastimes cricket by two of us. Cricket is the >> most violent game I ever played, masked by etiquette. Rugby didn't >> come close and American Football is for padded pansies in comparison. >> In the more vicious games the 'sledgeing' moves to entirely >> disparaging comment about one'smother. There was always a handshake >> at the bar. And this is what's missing here. >> >> On Sep 24, 5:06 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> > God I hate banning people. >> > >> > I seriously, seriously do. It's a win for martyred trolls. It >> accomplishes >> > silencing disruptive input, but create further division and animosity >> (much >> > like Gab's oft descriptions of my jack booted thuggery). >> > >> > I've asked Orn for a detailed explanation of the banning. It's a heavy >> > hammer, and I'd like to understand why it happened before making any >> further >> > decisions regarding group management. >> > >> > Chaz contributed much to this conversation, and I was sincerely >> regretful >> > that I had to ban him. His absolute refusal to engage in civil >> conversation, >> > and instead to flame incessantly, forced our hand. Craig and I debated >> it at >> > length; those who were around then may recall he was put on moderation >> twice >> > prior to being banned. >> > >> > Despite not having anywhere near the time necessary to be a meaningful >> > contributor to this group, I still want it to flourish. I believe >> important >> > conversations have been held here, and archived in perpetuity through >> > Google's group pages. Contributors like Neil provide the opportunity to >> > speak directly with a Bukowski, a Thomas; Francis Hunt has given me a >> fine >> > education in the history of the Catholic Church in Europe, and western >> > religious politics; Pat has melted my brain with Yeti-Phi-Tau space and >> > inside out tesseracts. The thought of Minds Eye losing contributors like >> > that pains me greatly. I still miss my squabbles with Atalante...she was >> > another Professorial type whose vast knowledge and experience made me >> feel >> > lucky to be part of this group. >> > >> > I'm reading through threads now, trying to catch up. I wanted management >> > questions to be resolved when I initially posted, and it seems that the >> lack >> > of a clear direction then has led to a further breakdown now. Let's get >> it >> > resolved once and for all. >> > >> > Oh, and Gabby, I'm tempted sometimes to make YOU the owner of the >> > group...I'd love to see the threads where you ranted against yourself. >> :D >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:17 AM, Pat <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > On Sep 23, 12:20 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > I was asked to moderate but had to decline on time. Does the fact >> I'm >> > > > selling tickets to the pissing match between Molly and Gabby accord >> me >> > > > a ban? Our mannered society is often the 'rotten State of Denmark'. >> > > > This group is less interesting without Chaz and Allan. I wonder >> about >> > > > us if we can't be more tolerant. If Allan did something bad enough >> > > > for a ban I'd probably want to go and see if he was OK. >> > >> > > Ahh, yes...I don't want to forget Chaz!!! I'm all for crediting even >> > > those who disagreed!! >> > >> > > > On Sep 23, 12:03 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > I hardly want to lose my odd contact with you Gabby and I really >> like >> > > > > Orn. >> > >> > > > > On Sep 16, 7:17 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > This is unacceptable. >> > >> > > > > > Neil, and who else is not willing to keep on engaging here under >> > > these >> > > > > > circumstances, could we please try to let common sense win? >> > >> > > > > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:43 AM, ornamentalmind < >> > > [email protected] >> > >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > gabby, thanks for the response. That is what I had guessed >> about >> > > you >> > > > > > > and Vam but wanted to be sure since you brought it up. >> > >> > > > > > > Allan is banned from Minds Eye. >> > >> > > > > > > On Sep 15, 1:57 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > No, Orn, not feeling attacked by Vam but being attacked by >> Vam. >> > > But I am >> > > > > > > > able to stand my man here, thank you. >> > >> > > > > > > > What is Allan's current posting status, is what we'd like to >> > > know. Is he >> > > > > > > > being banned, set on moderation or have only some of his >> posts >> > > been >> > > > > > > deleted? >> > > > > > > > Thank you for providing us with factual information to help >> us >> > > increase >> > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > level objectivity. >> > >> > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:31 PM, ornamentalmind < >> > > > > > > [email protected] >> > >> > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > Moderation is and always has been subjective. It also is >> not >> > > > > > > > > democratic no matter what pretense or trappings are added >> to >> > > it. >> > >> > > > > > > > > gabby, if you feel attacked by vam and want action, let me >> know >> > > > > > > > > specifically and I'll address it. I use judgement when it >> comes >> > > to >> > > > > > > > > individual cases. >> > >> > > > > > > > > Vam, yes it is serious and I've never taken the >> > > task/responsibility >> > > > > > > > > lightly. >> > >> > > > > > > > > Also Vam, as egalitarian as your suggested method appears >> to be >> > > we are >> > > > > > > > > not about trials here. >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Sep 15, 9:41 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > I believe banning is a serious matter. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > I really have not kept track of what Allan has said or >> done. >> > > In the >> > > > > > > > > > event, I feel there should be a separate thread titled : >> Why >> > > > > > > so-and-so >> > > > > > > > > > deserves to be banned, by the Group rules ! >> > >> > > > > > > > > > The person can then be clearly charged, allowed to >> respond, >> > > and a >> > > > > > > call >> > > > > > > > > > taken by the Moderator in full public view. Shouldn't be >> > > difficult. >> > > > > > > > > > After all you wouldn't be doing it every month. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Sep 15, 8:24 pm, ornamentalmind < >> > > [email protected]> >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Vam, I deleted the offending posts. Allan himself knew >> he >> > > had gone >> > > > > > > > > > > over the line and said so in one of his remaining >> posts. He >> > > > > > > followed >> > > > > > > > > > > that one with more unprovoked direct attacks (self >> > > > > > > admitted/defined) >> > > > > > > > > > > upon me. He knew what he was doing and what the result >> > > would be. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Evolution, freedom, acceptance and toleration include >> self >> > > > > > > > > > > responsibility. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 10:33 pm, Vam <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > If true, as Allan himself informs me, the act seems >> > > > > > > disproportionate, >> > > > > > > > > > > > a result of disbalanced mental process, and plain >> gross, >> > > as in >> > > > > > > > > > > > absolute unfit for a Group comprising of such >> evolved >> > > members who >> > > > > > > > > > > > believe in freedom, acceptance and toleration. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I sure would like to hear the Moderator speak on >> this >> > > matter.- >> > > > > > > Hide >> > > > > > > > > quoted text - >> > >> > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > - Show quoted text - >> > >> > -- >> > Planning without action is futile; action without planning is fatal. >> > The Web Guy <http://imtheirwebguy.com> > > > -- Planning without action is futile; action without planning is fatal. 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