Yep, and watch how the non-committedness of one behind near the lens can block the view on tens of activists. ;)
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>wrote: > I didn't realize my auto sig was on. Poor form, and of course you're right. > > Regarding Allan? I have no idea. However, there is a group of moderators > you can ask about it. :) > On Sep 29, 2011 4:54 AM, "gabbydott" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Being too close or over-identifying with the moderation role can have the > > opposite effect, as we have seen. Has this effect been corrected yet? > > I haven't seen Allan reentering the fair exchange stage so far. > > > > And please switch off your automatic signature when you are posting here, > > Chris, you might be taken for a spammer by moderators to come who don't > know > > your history here. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Chris Jenkins > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> *laughing* I think that Gabs was insinuating I was about to re-enter the > >> moderation fray. As it turns out, that is incorrect. I have completely > >> removed myself from any form of moderation or ownership. As I mentioned > the > >> last time around, I was far too disconnected from the daily going-ons to > be > >> effective in that role. > >> > >> Now it's in the hands of others, and I'm free to pop in from time to > time > >> without dealing with moderation issues...unless, of course, I were to be > >> banned. :) > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Pat <[email protected] > >wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sep 25, 7:39 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > Ah, Mr Putin is preparing to reenter the stage light! Voting for a > >>> natural > >>> > death is indeed ridiculous in the eternal presence of God. > >>> > > >>> > >>> Putin is Russia's answer to G. H. W. Bush. In other words, he's the > >>> man behind the puppets. Actually, they're muppets, because the > >>> strings come from below rather than above!! Nevertheless, Bush Sr. > >>> and Putin call the shots in their respective countries. The facts > >>> abour Bush are all laid out in an appendix of my book. The whole > >>> story of how the power moved from Hoover's FBI to Bush's CIA. It WILL > >>> stir up trouble, but there's no such thing as bad publicity!! > >>> > >>> > If I was in power, I'd learn to see rants as rants against my own > power > >>> > position - is this how you are trying to impress others? Now guess > who I > >>> > think is looking ridiculous. But I promise I won't go into details. > Go > >>> on, > >>> > my American Hero, clean the group from unwanted, unsupportive, > >>> unproductive, > >>> > degenerated elements and get it going to how it used to when you > still > >>> had > >>> > full control over what was happening here! > >>> > > >>> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Chris Jenkins > >>> > <[email protected]>wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > God I hate banning people. > >>> > > >>> > > I seriously, seriously do. It's a win for martyred trolls. It > >>> accomplishes > >>> > > silencing disruptive input, but create further division and > animosity > >>> (much > >>> > > like Gab's oft descriptions of my jack booted thuggery). > >>> > > >>> > > I've asked Orn for a detailed explanation of the banning. It's a > heavy > >>> > > hammer, and I'd like to understand why it happened before making > any > >>> further > >>> > > decisions regarding group management. > >>> > > >>> > > Chaz contributed much to this conversation, and I was sincerely > >>> regretful > >>> > > that I had to ban him. His absolute refusal to engage in civil > >>> conversation, > >>> > > and instead to flame incessantly, forced our hand. Craig and I > debated > >>> it at > >>> > > length; those who were around then may recall he was put on > moderation > >>> twice > >>> > > prior to being banned. > >>> > > >>> > > Despite not having anywhere near the time necessary to be a > meaningful > >>> > > contributor to this group, I still want it to flourish. I believe > >>> important > >>> > > conversations have been held here, and archived in perpetuity > through > >>> > > Google's group pages. Contributors like Neil provide the > opportunity > >>> to > >>> > > speak directly with a Bukowski, a Thomas; Francis Hunt has given me > a > >>> fine > >>> > > education in the history of the Catholic Church in Europe, and > western > >>> > > religious politics; Pat has melted my brain with Yeti-Phi-Tau space > >>> and > >>> > > inside out tesseracts. The thought of Minds Eye losing contributors > >>> like > >>> > > that pains me greatly. I still miss my squabbles with > Atalante...she > >>> was > >>> > > another Professorial type whose vast knowledge and experience made > me > >>> feel > >>> > > lucky to be part of this group. > >>> > > >>> > > I'm reading through threads now, trying to catch up. I wanted > >>> management > >>> > > questions to be resolved when I initially posted, and it seems that > >>> the lack > >>> > > of a clear direction then has led to a further breakdown now. Let's > >>> get it > >>> > > resolved once and for all. > >>> > > >>> > > Oh, and Gabby, I'm tempted sometimes to make YOU the owner of the > >>> > > group...I'd love to see the threads where you ranted against > yourself. > >>> :D > >>> > > >>> > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:17 AM, Pat < > [email protected] > >>> >wrote: > >>> > > >>> > >> On Sep 23, 12:20 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >> > I was asked to moderate but had to decline on time. Does the > fact > >>> I'm > >>> > >> > selling tickets to the pissing match between Molly and Gabby > accord > >>> me > >>> > >> > a ban? Our mannered society is often the 'rotten State of > >>> Denmark'. > >>> > >> > This group is less interesting without Chaz and Allan. I wonder > >>> about > >>> > >> > us if we can't be more tolerant. If Allan did something bad > enough > >>> > >> > for a ban I'd probably want to go and see if he was OK. > >>> > > >>> > >> Ahh, yes...I don't want to forget Chaz!!! I'm all for crediting > even > >>> > >> those who disagreed!! > >>> > > >>> > >> > On Sep 23, 12:03 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > >> > > I hardly want to lose my odd contact with you Gabby and I > really > >>> like > >>> > >> > > Orn. > >>> > > >>> > >> > > On Sep 16, 7:17 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > This is unacceptable. > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > Neil, and who else is not willing to keep on engaging here > >>> under > >>> > >> these > >>> > >> > > > circumstances, could we please try to let common sense win? > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:43 AM, ornamentalmind < > >>> > >> [email protected] > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > wrote: > >>> > >> > > > > gabby, thanks for the response. That is what I had guessed > >>> about > >>> > >> you > >>> > >> > > > > and Vam but wanted to be sure since you brought it up. > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > Allan is banned from Minds Eye. > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > On Sep 15, 1:57 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >> > > > > > No, Orn, not feeling attacked by Vam but being attacked > by > >>> Vam. > >>> > >> But I am > >>> > >> > > > > > able to stand my man here, thank you. > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > > What is Allan's current posting status, is what we'd > like > >>> to > >>> > >> know. Is he > >>> > >> > > > > > being banned, set on moderation or have only some of his > >>> posts > >>> > >> been > >>> > >> > > > > deleted? > >>> > >> > > > > > Thank you for providing us with factual information to > help > >>> us > >>> > >> increase > >>> > >> > > > > the > >>> > >> > > > > > level objectivity. > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:31 PM, ornamentalmind < > >>> > >> > > > > [email protected] > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > > > wrote: > >>> > >> > > > > > > Moderation is and always has been subjective. It also > is > >>> not > >>> > >> > > > > > > democratic no matter what pretense or trappings are > added > >>> to > >>> > >> it. > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > > > gabby, if you feel attacked by vam and want action, > let > >>> me > >>> > >> know > >>> > >> > > > > > > specifically and I'll address it. I use judgement when > it > >>> > >> comes to > >>> > >> > > > > > > individual cases. > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > > > Vam, yes it is serious and I've never taken the > >>> > >> task/responsibility > >>> > >> > > > > > > lightly. > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > > > Also Vam, as egalitarian as your suggested method > appears > >>> to > >>> > >> be we are > >>> > >> > > > > > > not about trials here. > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > > > On Sep 15, 9:41 am, Vam <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >> > > > > > > > I believe banning is a serious matter. > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > I really have not kept track of what Allan has said > or > >>> done. > >>> > >> In the > >>> > >> > > > > > > > event, I feel there should be a separate thread > titled > >>> : Why > >>> > >> > > > > so-and-so > >>> > >> > > > > > > > deserves to be banned, by the Group rules ! > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > The person can then be clearly charged, allowed to > >>> respond, > >>> > >> and a > >>> > >> > > > > call > >>> > >> > > > > > > > taken by the Moderator in full public view. > Shouldn't > >>> be > >>> > >> difficult. > >>> > >> > > > > > > > After all you wouldn't be doing it every month. > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > On Sep 15, 8:24 pm, ornamentalmind < > >>> > >> [email protected]> > >>> > >> > > > > wrote: > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > Vam, I deleted the offending posts. Allan himself > >>> knew he > >>> > >> had gone > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > over the line and said so in one of his remaining > >>> posts. > >>> > >> He > >>> > >> > > > > followed > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > that one with more unprovoked direct attacks (self > >>> > >> > > > > admitted/defined) > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > upon me. He knew what he was doing and what the > >>> result > >>> > >> would be. > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > Evolution, freedom, acceptance and toleration > include > >>> self > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > responsibility. > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 10:33 pm, Vam <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > If true, as Allan himself informs me, the act > seems > >>> > >> > > > > disproportionate, > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > a result of disbalanced mental process, and > plain > >>> gross, > >>> > >> as in > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > absolute unfit for a Group comprising of such > >>> evolved > >>> > >> members who > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > believe in freedom, acceptance and toleration. > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > I sure would like to hear the Moderator speak on > >>> this > >>> > >> matter.- > >>> > >> > > > > Hide > >>> > >> > > > > > > quoted text - > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > >>> > > >>> > >> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > >>> > > >>> > >> > - Show quoted text - > >>> > > >>> > > -- > >>> > > Planning without action is futile; action without planning is > fatal. > >>> > > The Web Guy <http://imtheirwebguy.com>- Hide quoted text - > >>> > > >>> > - Show quoted text - > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Planning without action is futile; action without planning is fatal. > >> The Web Guy <http://imtheirwebguy.com> > >> > >> >
