We are working on it.
On Oct 2, 2:17 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > Yep, and watch how the non-committedness of one behind near the lens can > block the view on tens of activists. ;) > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Chris Jenkins > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > I didn't realize my auto sig was on. Poor form, and of course you're right. > > > Regarding Allan? I have no idea. However, there is a group of moderators > > you can ask about it. :) > > On Sep 29, 2011 4:54 AM, "gabbydott" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Being too close or over-identifying with the moderation role can have the > > > opposite effect, as we have seen. Has this effect been corrected yet? > > > I haven't seen Allan reentering the fair exchange stage so far. > > > > And please switch off your automatic signature when you are posting here, > > > Chris, you might be taken for a spammer by moderators to come who don't > > know > > > your history here. > > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Chris Jenkins > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> *laughing* I think that Gabs was insinuating I was about to re-enter the > > >> moderation fray. As it turns out, that is incorrect. I have completely > > >> removed myself from any form of moderation or ownership. As I mentioned > > the > > >> last time around, I was far too disconnected from the daily going-ons to > > be > > >> effective in that role. > > > >> Now it's in the hands of others, and I'm free to pop in from time to > > time > > >> without dealing with moderation issues...unless, of course, I were to be > > >> banned. :) > > > >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Pat <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > >>> On Sep 25, 7:39 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > Ah, Mr Putin is preparing to reenter the stage light! Voting for a > > >>> natural > > >>> > death is indeed ridiculous in the eternal presence of God. > > > >>> Putin is Russia's answer to G. H. W. Bush. In other words, he's the > > >>> man behind the puppets. Actually, they're muppets, because the > > >>> strings come from below rather than above!! Nevertheless, Bush Sr. > > >>> and Putin call the shots in their respective countries. The facts > > >>> abour Bush are all laid out in an appendix of my book. The whole > > >>> story of how the power moved from Hoover's FBI to Bush's CIA. It WILL > > >>> stir up trouble, but there's no such thing as bad publicity!! > > > >>> > If I was in power, I'd learn to see rants as rants against my own > > power > > >>> > position - is this how you are trying to impress others? Now guess > > who I > > >>> > think is looking ridiculous. But I promise I won't go into details. > > Go > > >>> on, > > >>> > my American Hero, clean the group from unwanted, unsupportive, > > >>> unproductive, > > >>> > degenerated elements and get it going to how it used to when you > > still > > >>> had > > >>> > full control over what was happening here! > > > >>> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Chris Jenkins > > >>> > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >>> > > God I hate banning people. > > > >>> > > I seriously, seriously do. It's a win for martyred trolls. It > > >>> accomplishes > > >>> > > silencing disruptive input, but create further division and > > animosity > > >>> (much > > >>> > > like Gab's oft descriptions of my jack booted thuggery). > > > >>> > > I've asked Orn for a detailed explanation of the banning. It's a > > heavy > > >>> > > hammer, and I'd like to understand why it happened before making > > any > > >>> further > > >>> > > decisions regarding group management. > > > >>> > > Chaz contributed much to this conversation, and I was sincerely > > >>> regretful > > >>> > > that I had to ban him. His absolute refusal to engage in civil > > >>> conversation, > > >>> > > and instead to flame incessantly, forced our hand. Craig and I > > debated > > >>> it at > > >>> > > length; those who were around then may recall he was put on > > moderation > > >>> twice > > >>> > > prior to being banned. > > > >>> > > Despite not having anywhere near the time necessary to be a > > meaningful > > >>> > > contributor to this group, I still want it to flourish. I believe > > >>> important > > >>> > > conversations have been held here, and archived in perpetuity > > through > > >>> > > Google's group pages. Contributors like Neil provide the > > opportunity > > >>> to > > >>> > > speak directly with a Bukowski, a Thomas; Francis Hunt has given me > > a > > >>> fine > > >>> > > education in the history of the Catholic Church in Europe, and > > western > > >>> > > religious politics; Pat has melted my brain with Yeti-Phi-Tau space > > >>> and > > >>> > > inside out tesseracts. The thought of Minds Eye losing contributors > > >>> like > > >>> > > that pains me greatly. I still miss my squabbles with > > Atalante...she > > >>> was > > >>> > > another Professorial type whose vast knowledge and experience made > > me > > >>> feel > > >>> > > lucky to be part of this group. > > > >>> > > I'm reading through threads now, trying to catch up. I wanted > > >>> management > > >>> > > questions to be resolved when I initially posted, and it seems that > > >>> the lack > > >>> > > of a clear direction then has led to a further breakdown now. Let's > > >>> get it > > >>> > > resolved once and for all. > > > >>> > > Oh, and Gabby, I'm tempted sometimes to make YOU the owner of the > > >>> > > group...I'd love to see the threads where you ranted against > > yourself. > > >>> :D > > > >>> > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:17 AM, Pat < > > [email protected] > > >>> >wrote: > > > >>> > >> On Sep 23, 12:20 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > >> > I was asked to moderate but had to decline on time. Does the > > fact > > >>> I'm > > >>> > >> > selling tickets to the pissing match between Molly and Gabby > > accord > > >>> me > > >>> > >> > a ban? Our mannered society is often the 'rotten State of > > >>> Denmark'. > > >>> > >> > This group is less interesting without Chaz and Allan. I wonder > > >>> about > > >>> > >> > us if we can't be more tolerant. If Allan did something bad > > enough > > >>> > >> > for a ban I'd probably want to go and see if he was OK. > > > >>> > >> Ahh, yes...I don't want to forget Chaz!!! I'm all for crediting > > even > > >>> > >> those who disagreed!! > > > >>> > >> > On Sep 23, 12:03 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> > >> > > I hardly want to lose my odd contact with you Gabby and I > > really > > >>> like > > >>> > >> > > Orn. > > > >>> > >> > > On Sep 16, 7:17 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> > >> > > > This is unacceptable. > > > >>> > >> > > > Neil, and who else is not willing to keep on engaging here > > >>> under > > >>> > >> these > > >>> > >> > > > circumstances, could we please try to let common sense win? > > > >>> > >> > > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:43 AM, ornamentalmind < > > >>> > >> [email protected] > > > >>> > >> > > > > wrote: > > >>> > >> > > > > gabby, thanks for the response. That is what I had guessed > > >>> about > > >>> > >> you > > >>> > >> > > > > and Vam but wanted to be sure since you brought it up. > > > >>> > >> > > > > Allan is banned from Minds Eye. > > > >>> > >> > > > > On Sep 15, 1:57 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >>> > >> > > > > > No, Orn, not feeling attacked by Vam but being attacked > > by > > >>> Vam. > > >>> > >> But I am > > >>> > >> > > > > > able to stand my man here, thank you. > > > >>> > >> > > > > > What is Allan's current posting status, is what we'd > > like > > >>> to > > >>> > >> know. Is he > > >>> > >> > > > > > being banned, set on moderation or have only some of his > > >>> posts > > >>> > >> been > > >>> > >> > > > > deleted? > > >>> > >> > > > > > Thank you for providing us with factual information to > > help > > >>> us > > >>> > >> increase > > >>> > >> > > > > the > > >>> > >> > > > > > level objectivity. > > > >>> > >> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:31 PM, ornamentalmind < > > >>> > >> > > > > [email protected] > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > wrote: > > >>> > >> > > > > > > Moderation is and always has been subjective. It also > > is > > >>> not > > >>> > >> > > > > > > democratic no matter what pretense or trappings are > > added > > >>> to > > >>> > >> it. > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > gabby, if you feel attacked by vam and want action, > > let > > >>> me > > >>> > >> know > > >>> > >> > > > > > > specifically and I'll address it. I use judgement when > > it > > >>> > >> comes to > > >>> > >> > > > > > > individual cases. > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > Vam, yes it is serious and I've never taken the > > >>> > >> task/responsibility > > >>> > >> > > > > > > lightly. > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > Also Vam, as egalitarian as your suggested method > > appears > > >>> to > > >>> > >> be we are > > >>> > >> > > > > > > not about trials here. > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > On Sep 15, 9:41 am, Vam <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > I believe banning is a serious matter. > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > I really have not kept track of what Allan has said > > or > > >>> done. > > >>> > >> In the > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > event, I feel there should be a separate thread > > titled > > >>> : Why > > >>> > >> > > > > so-and-so > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > deserves to be banned, by the Group rules ! > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > The person can then be clearly charged, allowed to > > >>> respond, > > >>> > >> and a > > >>> > >> > > > > call > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > taken by the Moderator in full public view. > > Shouldn't > > >>> be > > >>> > >> difficult. > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > After all you wouldn't be doing it every month. > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > On Sep 15, 8:24 pm, ornamentalmind < > > >>> > >> [email protected]> > > >>> > >> > > > > wrote: > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > Vam, I deleted the offending posts. Allan himself > > >>> knew he > > >>> > >> had gone > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > over the line and said so in one of his remaining > > >>> posts. > > >>> > >> He > > >>> > >> > > > > followed > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > that one with more unprovoked direct attacks (self > > >>> > >> > > > > admitted/defined) > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > upon me. He > > ... > > read more »
