On Sep 24, 5:06 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > God I hate banning people. > > I seriously, seriously do. It's a win for martyred trolls. It accomplishes > silencing disruptive input, but create further division and animosity (much > like Gab's oft descriptions of my jack booted thuggery). > > I've asked Orn for a detailed explanation of the banning. It's a heavy > hammer, and I'd like to understand why it happened before making any further > decisions regarding group management. > > Chaz contributed much to this conversation, and I was sincerely regretful > that I had to ban him. His absolute refusal to engage in civil conversation, > and instead to flame incessantly, forced our hand. Craig and I debated it at > length; those who were around then may recall he was put on moderation twice > prior to being banned. > > Despite not having anywhere near the time necessary to be a meaningful > contributor to this group, I still want it to flourish. I believe important > conversations have been held here, and archived in perpetuity through > Google's group pages. Contributors like Neil provide the opportunity to > speak directly with a Bukowski, a Thomas; Francis Hunt has given me a fine > education in the history of the Catholic Church in Europe, and western > religious politics; Pat has melted my brain with Yeti-Phi-Tau space and > inside out tesseracts. The thought of Minds Eye losing contributors like > that pains me greatly. I still miss my squabbles with Atalante...she was > another Professorial type whose vast knowledge and experience made me feel > lucky to be part of this group. >
Oh, I haven't gone away, I'm just less active due to less access. I hope I haven't melted TOO much of your brain. ;-) > I'm reading through threads now, trying to catch up. I wanted management > questions to be resolved when I initially posted, and it seems that the lack > of a clear direction then has led to a further breakdown now. Let's get it > resolved once and for all. > > Oh, and Gabby, I'm tempted sometimes to make YOU the owner of the > group...I'd love to see the threads where you ranted against yourself. :D > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:17 AM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Sep 23, 12:20 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I was asked to moderate but had to decline on time. Does the fact I'm > > > selling tickets to the pissing match between Molly and Gabby accord me > > > a ban? Our mannered society is often the 'rotten State of Denmark'. > > > This group is less interesting without Chaz and Allan. I wonder about > > > us if we can't be more tolerant. If Allan did something bad enough > > > for a ban I'd probably want to go and see if he was OK. > > > Ahh, yes...I don't want to forget Chaz!!! I'm all for crediting even > > those who disagreed!! > > > > On Sep 23, 12:03 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I hardly want to lose my odd contact with you Gabby and I really like > > > > Orn. > > > > > On Sep 16, 7:17 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > This is unacceptable. > > > > > > Neil, and who else is not willing to keep on engaging here under > > these > > > > > circumstances, could we please try to let common sense win? > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:43 AM, ornamentalmind < > > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > gabby, thanks for the response. That is what I had guessed about > > you > > > > > > and Vam but wanted to be sure since you brought it up. > > > > > > > Allan is banned from Minds Eye. > > > > > > > On Sep 15, 1:57 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > No, Orn, not feeling attacked by Vam but being attacked by Vam. > > But I am > > > > > > > able to stand my man here, thank you. > > > > > > > > What is Allan's current posting status, is what we'd like to > > know. Is he > > > > > > > being banned, set on moderation or have only some of his posts > > been > > > > > > deleted? > > > > > > > Thank you for providing us with factual information to help us > > increase > > > > > > the > > > > > > > level objectivity. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:31 PM, ornamentalmind < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Moderation is and always has been subjective. It also is not > > > > > > > > democratic no matter what pretense or trappings are added to > > it. > > > > > > > > > gabby, if you feel attacked by vam and want action, let me know > > > > > > > > specifically and I'll address it. I use judgement when it comes > > to > > > > > > > > individual cases. > > > > > > > > > Vam, yes it is serious and I've never taken the > > task/responsibility > > > > > > > > lightly. > > > > > > > > > Also Vam, as egalitarian as your suggested method appears to be > > we are > > > > > > > > not about trials here. > > > > > > > > > On Sep 15, 9:41 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I believe banning is a serious matter. > > > > > > > > > > I really have not kept track of what Allan has said or done. > > In the > > > > > > > > > event, I feel there should be a separate thread titled : Why > > > > > > so-and-so > > > > > > > > > deserves to be banned, by the Group rules ! > > > > > > > > > > The person can then be clearly charged, allowed to respond, > > and a > > > > > > call > > > > > > > > > taken by the Moderator in full public view. Shouldn't be > > difficult. > > > > > > > > > After all you wouldn't be doing it every month. > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 15, 8:24 pm, ornamentalmind < > > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Vam, I deleted the offending posts. Allan himself knew he > > had gone > > > > > > > > > > over the line and said so in one of his remaining posts. He > > > > > > followed > > > > > > > > > > that one with more unprovoked direct attacks (self > > > > > > admitted/defined) > > > > > > > > > > upon me. He knew what he was doing and what the result > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > Evolution, freedom, acceptance and toleration include self > > > > > > > > > > responsibility. > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 10:33 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If true, as Allan himself informs me, the act seems > > > > > > disproportionate, > > > > > > > > > > > a result of disbalanced mental process, and plain gross, > > as in > > > > > > > > > > > absolute unfit for a Group comprising of such evolved > > members who > > > > > > > > > > > believe in freedom, acceptance and toleration. > > > > > > > > > > > > I sure would like to hear the Moderator speak on this > > matter.- > > > > > > Hide > > > > > > > > quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > Planning without action is futile; action without planning is fatal. > The Web Guy <http://imtheirwebguy.com>- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
