I read your reply last night, it deeply affected me, Yes one person or even a small group can effect change, unfortunately there is a price to be paid., unfortunately that is experience talking. those in the front line like any war pay the heaviest price,
One thing I know is a person can not give up the fight because that is what they want.. As news it is being played down.. so the hidden powers don't like it and are fighting it.. There are also other ways of fighting the corporate insanity,, some can be pretty creative. I know the rules of the golden calf society are well known and taken to the extreme well there is more power than you have ever imagined,.. churches can be nonprofit tax free.. socialism has some strong points .. permanent trust are really a total insanity.. I believe there are ways to keep it under control ,,, but they need to be built in from the beginning and then set in stone where the basic rules can not be changed.. Chris oddly enough you have gathered a fantastic group of brains around you.. in this group and else where I am sure,, I do not know what I can do as I have not much,, but know I do support you and do believe Your friend Allan On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>wrote: > I've never had someone so casually create a crushing despair in me, Neil. > Your writing has always affected me greatly, but the sense of general > futility that is often expressed weighs a ton. As someone who still holds > out hope for society's betterment, your words often feel like mountains on > my head.The sense of truth in them, I think, is what gives them so much > weight. > > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:25 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The smell of authority gets up my nose however disguised Gabby - we've >> just seen an example in rugby union with a Welsh player sent off for a >> decent tackle and then banned for three games to reinforce the >> referee's authority. It all reeks of what people do given authority. >> Sport hardly matters, but the example is good. I don't know what's >> happening in Detroit. I do know that in Spain a ring of bastards >> (priests, nuns, doctors) removed 40,000 kids from their parents and >> adopted through mass baby trafficking beyond the Fascists. I was >> tempted once to become an anarcho-existential organisational >> practitioner and break some windows from the inside, but somehow >> jargon remains with the same smell. >> Molly's got a point - the problem is that words so rarely match what >> happens. The gadfly of irony loses its sting too,much as increasing >> lexicon (equafinality, artifactuality etc.) ... and paradigms of >> synergy fade in the dust of asset strippers. >> >> So where are the solutions we might express? >> >> On Oct 18, 8:15 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Puh, this is the flowery version of "I am against dualism" (compare: All >> > power plays are based in these memes because they require opposition), >> which >> > is understandable if the writer gets payed by the line. Whereby the >> scent of >> > power being related to hierarchies is decently overtoned, now isn't that >> > lovely. No mod here has the power over the ban button, this is me here >> > trolling and spreading an unpleasant odor. Puh, could someone please >> > let in some fresh air? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > Power relations work only in a group with leadership who's view is >> > > based on power and the idea that "i" or "we" can have more or less >> > > than "you." There are views that realize that every group operates >> > > holistically, and the flow of operation and pinnacle of achievement is >> > > not dependent on power but synergy. A savvy leader knows the group >> > > members potentiality, talent, perceived limitation, resources etc., >> > > and creates the conditions necessary for every and all to move beyond >> > > them as a whole. It takes a big picture view of how each person >> > > operates and where the group fits in the community (whole). A group >> > > with such leadership can become a change agent. The leadership >> > > understands that power is a misnomer, as it is not power that fuels >> > > the group effort, but synergy. >> > >> > > Given, not all groups operate like this. Not everyone has realized >> > > the fallacious nature of "power." Fallacious because we indeed are >> > > operating as a whole on the more subtle levels. Our view can distort >> > > what is really occurring, because it is often too narrow (egocentric - >> > > me against them- or ethnocentric - us against them.) All power plays >> > > are based in these memes because they require opposition. Leaders who >> > > allow the talent in the group to emerge and mentor, who can inspire >> > > group vision and keep the group focused to it, who recognized each >> > > individual contribution and potential and provide resources necessary >> > > for fulfillment are indeed rare. But they are emerging whether by >> > > necessity of a higher calling. >> > >> > > I find it interesting that here in Detroit, Mayor Bing, who receives a >> > > whopping $.90 annual salary, has done more to allow the worldcentric >> > > leadership of the city to emerge than anyone in the history of the >> > > city. His critics say that he has not made any tangible change >> > > although you don't have to look far to see that he has. He operates >> > > at a much higher meme than our President, although I suspect that the >> > > conditions of the world might not be ready for any other than a power >> > > based person in the Presidency. >> > >> > > Power relations are inevitable in groups whose members know no other >> > > way. But there are other ways and other views. >> > >> > > On Oct 17, 7:00 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > I think we have to admit to some inevitability of power relations - >> > > > objectivity gets as invasive as bully-power if we aren't careful. >> > >> > > > On Oct 17, 2:27 pm, James Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > Personal power seems part and parcel to living authentically >> (whatever >> > > > > that might mean), motive and intent buried in the basis of >> authority. >> > > > > I take your meaning is that there are a few deeply rooted memes >> for a >> > > > > weak basis on authority, and it makes me wonder about how we >> assess a >> > > > > disproportionate amount of authority on achievement and how this >> gets >> > > > > corrupted by the apparent values celebrated in our society. Is >> this in >> > > > > dissonance with nature, I wonder, or are we as mesmerized by it >> as the >> > > > > bird or fish to a shiny object. I'm trying to scrap out a few >> > > > > paragraphs here and there on rhetoric and writing to get a grasp >> of my >> > > > > own, hopefully it will light a fire under my pen. An act of >> futility >> > > > > perhaps.. >> > >> > > > > On 10/15/11, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > I don't think we are all stuck. Certainly there are many memes >> that >> > > > > > are, and many that are not. Spiral Dynamics is a good model >> that >> > > > > > allows us to understand the states and stages of humanity, and >> how we >> > > > > > each spiral up and down them in our lifetime. Someone who >> can't see >> > > > > > past their ethnocentric or egocentric view will play the power >> card. >> > >> > > > > > On Oct 14, 10:42 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> I once lived amongst mice - it was a university psychology >> thingy. >> > > I >> > > > > >> first wondered why the subordinate mice didn't overthrow the >> king >> > > > > >> mouse and he (he was always male) always kept his crew in >> vicious >> > > > > >> check ans "poverty". I knew the underling males could be >> trained >> > > and >> > > > > >> fed to defeat him. Later I just saw that nothing changed >> except the >> > > > > >> identity of the king mouse. I grew to quite like individual >> mice >> > > but >> > > > > >> not the mouse society. >> > > > > >> Currently, though we have an extensive understanding of >> genetic- >> > > > > >> environment-evolution stuff - sufficient at least to make most >> > > nature- >> > > > > >> nurture debate old hat - we are still stuck in a >> misunderstanding of >> > > > > >> our animal situation and in dire myths that hide the nature of >> > > motives >> > > > > >> even from those who lay claim to extirpate ideology. One >> wants to >> > > > > >> live and let live, yet this is never enough. We need 'power' >> of >> > > some >> > > > > >> kind to negate power itself - or fatalism. >> > >> > > > > >> On Oct 14, 2:03 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > >> > Though motives can work themselves into a snarl- like yarn or >> > > string- >> > > > > >> > and one often needs time (maturity and education) to follow >> the >> > > path >> > > > > >> > backwards. (The Labyrinth myth comes to mind.) >> > >> > > > > >> > On Oct 14, 1:36 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > >> > > Man is bound by God through genetics , environment etc. , >> but >> > > all of >> > > > > >> > > it so hidden that to an individual he is absolutely free , >> and >> > > free he >> > > > > >> > > is as he is the agent , it is he who decides and acts and >> as >> > > such the >> > > > > >> > > bonds beings so subtle as to be unconscious , he is >> consciously >> > > doing >> > > > > >> > > everything freely.If we can be aware of our real motives >> we can >> > > > > >> > > control our actions to some degree and it is in that way >> that >> > > > > >> > > knowledge of our hidden motives can help us. >> > >> > > > > >> > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:41 PM, archytas < >> [email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > I like the theme RP - but what of being 'bound' by >> > > > > >> > > > genetics/evolution/ >> > > > > >> > > > environment - which gives some clues on how to escape >> through >> > > > > >> > > > knowledge? >> > >> > > > > >> > > > On Oct 13, 4:30 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > >> It is God who binds you and not you yourself , and so >> you are >> > > > > >> > > >> accountable to yourself and society , but not to God. >> In this >> > > world >> > > > > >> > > >> you are doing everything freely , but in God's presence >> you >> > > are >> > > > > >> > > >> just a >> > > > > >> > > >> puppet. If I am bound to err , it doesn't absolve me of >> the >> > > action >> > > > > >> > > >> as >> > > > > >> > > >> it has been done by me , and if you hurt me , again you >> are >> > > > > >> > > >> accountable for it as it is done by you. It is only in >> God's >> > > > > >> > > >> presence >> > > > > >> > > >> that you are innocent as you are a puppet in his hand , >> but >> > > in >> > > > > >> > > >> man's >> > > > > >> > > >> world you are accountable and responsible for every >> action >> > > unless >> > > > > >> > > >> society frees you of that responsibility on the grounds >> of >> > > insanity >> > > > > >> > > >> on >> > > > > >> > > >> your part. You are always the agent and as such always >> > > responsible >> > > > > >> > > >> for >> > > > > >> > > >> your every action and inaction. >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Vam < >> [email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > >> > When everything is predetermined... and if we all >> accept >> > > that as >> > > > > >> > > >> > fact... accountability is without meaning ! >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > Accountability has a meaning when I have a choice in >> the >> > > matter, >> > > > > >> > > >> > and >> > > > > >> > > >> > if I am aware of that personal freedom. >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > On Oct 13, 7:46 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > >> >> When everything is predetermined , the obvious truth >> that >> > > it is >> > > > > >> > > >> >> man >> > > > > >> > > >> >> who is acting , makes man accountable to man and >> society >> > > and >> > > > > >> > > >> >> not to >> > > > > >> > > >> >> God. >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Vam < >> > > [email protected]> >> > > > > >> > > >> >> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > >> >> > But I couldn't see the rational thread between the >> "God >> > > > > >> > > >> >> > alone..." >> > > > > >> > > >> >> > premise and its "Man alone..." derivative ! >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> >> > On Oct 13, 7:20 pm, archytas <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > >> >> >> I rather like the idea RP, of the corollary. >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> >> >> On Oct 13, 3:02 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > AS everything good and evil is done by God's >> dictates >> > > and >> > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > everything >> > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > that a man endures is from God's pleasure , the >> > > corollary >> > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > follows -- >> > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > whatever a man does , he is free to do and >> > > accountable to >> > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > man and >> > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > society.- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > > >> > > - Show quoted text - >> > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > Please do not put me on forwarding lists or submit my address to >> cute >> > > > > online greetings or anything else for that matter. If you must, >> please >> > > > > forward me in BCC and send me a link to cute greetings. Many >> thanks! >> > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
