Funny! I worry about the violent types.
On Oct 23, 4:03 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > I haven't decided yet between wanting to understand and saving the world > from all the idiots around me. > > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > what is it you want Gabby? > > Allan > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:50 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Dawn. The Golden Dawn. In between light and darkness there is The Golden > >> Dawn. And the question is: Who is going to own our future generations. > >> The Scandinavians have already bought a lot of our houses ... > > >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> when a person gets looking at trust money it gets very scary when you > >>> look at them from the long term.. example in dollars because the symbol > >>> is > >>> on my computer > > >>> $1,000.oo 3% interest added annually > >>> for > >>> 50 years value will be $ 4,383.91 > >>> 100 years value will be $ 19.2818. 63 > >>> Now what gets scary is this. leave the same $1,000.oo in for;; > >>> ready > >>> 500 years. value will be $ 2,621,877,234.-- > > >>> Now that is some serious money even I can come up with that thousand in > >>> cash.. > > >>> Indecently that is why there are laws against perpetual trusts... (",) > > >>> to prevent major universities from extreme wealth.. > > >>> but that would not keep a ?Secret? society from doing it.... ah the > >>> secret society of "The Golden Calf." > >>> It is shear madness.. but easily do able when you look in the long term.. > >>> now just look at adding several zeros to the original 1,000 and see what > >>> happens.. > >>> which countries do we want our future generations to Own?? > >>> Allan > > >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:34 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> I agree most of that Allan. We could have banks small enough to > >>>> compete for our business with very little regulation. On the current > >>>> banks - it's doubtful many are really worth anything. > > >>>> On Oct 22, 1:45 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > Back to what I was saying,, I see a society today including bankerism > >>>> that > >>>> > is based an economy based off debt.. As I see it a trust that could > >>>> be set > >>>> > up that (actually split as to not draw attention) it could be used to > >>>> help > >>>> > people, I am thinking about a small economy strictly toursit based > >>>> where > >>>> > it could be used to help people doing things like develop wind > >>>> generators > >>>> > then selling the power to pay for themselves and at the same time > >>>> grow the > >>>> > fund.. other things like building vertical green houses for > >>>> supplying > >>>> > food to make sure every one ate.. > > >>>> > I do not think charity is a way to go,, but the process of growing > >>>> a > >>>> > business designed to help people is not to bad.. it can get into > >>>> things > >>>> > like the skycat and transporting goods across oceans to pay for > >>>> themselves > >>>> > and grow the trust,, when it came to times like the big earth quakes > >>>> and > >>>> > natural disasters,, where the could be actually flown into > >>>> > the disaster areas to supply aid directly .. helping to keep it out > >>>> of > >>>> > the corruption cycle. > > >>>> > As the trust fund{s} grew they could actually buy out the greed banks > >>>> stock > >>>> > taking them over.. ending the cycle that way.. > > >>>> > Transferring the economy from a debt economy to a stable debt free > >>>> > economy.. you will be well on your way to ending Bankerism.. It can > >>>> be > >>>> > done simple because they are based on debt,, remember a share > >>>> actually sez > >>>> > they owe you money.. > > >>>> > Allan > > >>>> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > > Thank you for the ideas Neil,, I for one actually believe > >>>> ?bankerism? can > >>>> > > be controlled but not necessarily with regulations.. It is well > >>>> known and I > >>>> > > think it was discussed here on the financial power of the trust fund > >>>> > > especially non-expiring ones,, to the point that they are > >>>> regulated by > >>>> > > the government requiring them to spend the interest.. I have to run > >>>> I > >>>> > > will get back to this when I return.. > >>>> > > Allan > > >>>> > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:37 PM, archytas <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> > >> My guess is that modern rationality starts with Descartes - though > >>>> he > >>>> > >> doesn't provide a template, just some ground we can get into the > >>>> > >> issues through. The great warnings to us on 'solutions' is real > >>>> > >> history and the failure of Germany as the most cultured and > >>>> scientific > >>>> > >> nation culminating in "Hitler" - the lesson being so-called > >>>> triumphs > >>>> > >> in rationality, science and culture are dreadful fantasies. I > >>>> would > >>>> > >> hope in this that German friends would not see any blaming in this > >>>> - > >>>> > >> the culpability is wider-set in imperialism and our still stupid > >>>> > >> notions of leadership. In intellectual terms we are supposedly in > >>>> > >> postmoderism (really read that and weep in a different way from > >>>> > >> Gabby's sonnet). The crisis is one of legitimation and the need > >>>> for > >>>> > >> an incredulous stance towards grand narratives like religion and > >>>> the > >>>> > >> 'wealth creation' espoused in the status quo of oligarchy (rather > >>>> than > >>>> > >> competitive capitalism). > > >>>> > >> I'd say the big issue is dishonesty and the ease with which we > >>>> swallow > >>>> > >> chronic lies whole as the facts stand up against them. The idiocy > >>>> is > >>>> > >> in demanding paragons of virtue in politics. Honesty is not so > >>>> easily > >>>> > >> produced. As a population we remain crudely ignorant and > >>>> politicians > >>>> > >> can rely on this. I can prove over and again that voters don't > >>>> know > >>>> > >> what they vote for - the result being my regard as a smartarse, > >>>> > >> "commie" or whatever suits. We get bogged down by popular opinion > >>>> > >> (Idols in Bacon) and inane rationalist fantasies as to whether god > >>>> > >> exists or not to which there is only 'answer' in sentient (Hume). > >>>> We > >>>> > >> rightly point to failures in communism whilst failing to spot we > >>>> have > >>>> > >> already been carried away in the anti-communism (even > >>>> anti-democratic > >>>> > >> management - see the use of the UnAmerican stuff against quite mild > >>>> > >> adherents of such) that drives our resources into the hands of a > >>>> tiny > >>>> > >> few, leaving even 1 in 5 Americans poor etc. and wars all over -let > >>>> > >> alone poverty through massive over-breeding and climate change. > > >>>> > >> The answer is a massive change in our ways, including > >>>> world-government > >>>> > >> - but the rub here is this can't involve the kind of people doing > >>>> > >> politics at the whim of banksterism and it does mean not allowing > >>>> > >> 'riches' as currently conceived, which many think 'fair' owing to > >>>> > >> propaganda. The statement on population ignorance itself needs > >>>> review > >>>> > >> as it can't itself be just another bid for leadership and power. > >>>> On > >>>> > >> the odd occasion I do chemistry for schoolkids I do experiments > >>>> that > >>>> > >> go bang, flash light and then a tame one in which heating Lead > >>>> > >> Carbonate turns it yellow before it melts. The kids rarely > >>>> understand > >>>> > >> (which isn't the point). Teaching economics is much the same in > >>>> > >> result - most end up with no clue and would need to be in intensive > >>>> > >> educational care to get a grok. I am much more confident in my > >>>> > >> scientific prognostications than on those of how we should live and > >>>> a > >>>> > >> viable economics. Yet the world of science is much less > >>>> authoritarian > >>>> > >> than that of public opinion, despite the techniques being much more > >>>> > >> reliable. If you don't want to listen properly on how to make,say, > >>>> > >> gunpowder - then you're free to blow your hands off. Yet how do I > >>>> > >> tell anyone not to have children in excess? Recruit Indira Gandhi? > >>>> > >> How do we get work done - sit around drinking tea voting? > > >>>> > >> The basic idea is often to get everyone up to western standards - > >>>> yet > >>>> > >> what 'standard' do we offer? Planet burning firsts? A model that > >>>> has > >>>> > >> always favoured a few rich with a minor blip after WW2 and is as > >>>> debt- > >>>> > >> ridden as ancient Mesopotamia? A big part of the answer is the > >>>> > >> setting up of complex regulation that prevents undue power > >>>> accretion. > >>>> > >> The human tendency in this is towards bureaucracy and that runs > >>>> into n > >>>> > >> iron cage (Weber). I believe computing offers new avenues -but > >>>> we'd > >>>> > >> have to guard against this being perverted in the usual ways. The > >>>> key > >>>> > >> roadblock is world peace and not believing we could have it and the > >>>> > >> daft assumption just laying down our 'guns' would produce it. > > >>>> > >> There's a massive literature that could help - the problem being > >>>> few > >>>> > >> read and would even watch if our media could summarise it. Should I > >>>> > >> issue a bibliography? This doesn't even work at university. > > >>>> > >> The first solution is getting resources into individual and > >>>> collective > >>>> > >> control with banking as a utility (rather than designed to steal > >>>> them > >>>> > >> as happens now even with micro-credit). This itself should produce > >>>> > >> enough argument to fill several books - but watch this space. The > >>>> > >> move is broadly capitalist but anti-oligarchy pro-democracy in the > >>>> > >> sense of (Popper's) control of those allocated 'power'. Questions > >>>> > >> immediately arise as to what is not allowable - like a bunch of > >>>> > >> Taliban mistreating women and trying to build an H-bomb or burning > >>>> > >> coal for the hell of it. > > >>>> > >> To see this as other than 'castle-in-the-air' one needs > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
