Perfectly, Allan, on the part of the politicians. until part of the solution is done, which is your idea on board, the situation will ever remain as it is...even worse.
On 10/26/11, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > Politicians have truths that apply to everyone else except them. and they > never feel the sting of the whip. > I know over here the politicians doubled their salaries just before > the financial crash, not surprising though the pay raise was never removed > the extra income, so they live at twice the wage while no pay raises not > even cost of living for public employees like fire department , Police > people or others.. > > I am sure that if you look the same thing has happened in your country no > matter which one it is.. Politicians seem to be acting on their own > behalf and those of their rich friends.. > > Maybe all politicians should be put on minimum wage with no assistance > from friend or family.. with only services of public > assistance available to them and their family. I do know something needs > to be done to bring this political privilege under control.. maybe a > better way to put it is get control of the out right bribery. > Allan > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:09 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I tend to like the idea too Allan - one way to the positive is to do. >> In the more intellectual sense, getting to the positive (which has >> many definitions) usually means stripping away loads of dross. In the >> process one usually finds the dross is cherished and part of the >> reason nothing can ever get done! >> >> One aspect of all the nonsense of current economic utterings that >> makes me laugh at the moment (or is it cry?) is the idea of raising >> pension age in order to save money - this is full of assumptions that >> there re jobs to do, that clinging to one doesn't prevent someone else >> doing it and so on. >> >> On Oct 25, 8:19 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Lol do I start with you Gabby? I would not want to push people. If they >> > wanted to contribute it would be great. A larger starting point, but >> > nothing beyond their means though. >> > >> > I can not help but wonder how it will evolve, I am sure it will be >> > interesting, >> > Allan >> > On Oct 25, 2011 9:03 AM, "gabbydott" <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > I quite like your idea, Allan. You've got my vote to keep on trying to >> > > persuade the others to see if they have some 100 Euros to spare. >> > >> > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> I know Neil it is but a pittance that is what so funny about it.. >> > >> I >> > >> think the problem lies in the short term,, Maybe that is what it >> should >> > >> be called is the pittance fund.. >> > >> Money is a problem because it is guided by people who's interests is >> self >> > >> centered. creating the pittance fund,, then we have the time and >> > >> possibility to get it to grow.. and provide the long term guidance >> to make >> > >> it successful over 500 plus years where it would reach the size.. at >> witch >> > >> time the pittance fund would be as powerful or more powerful than the >> other >> > >> markets.. it takes for sight.. >> > >> What I am saying by putting up my 100 Euro is that our combined >> > >> wisdom >> > >> and knowledge exceeds that of the normal public. it would be chance >> to put >> > >> our theories into practice.. Even if we fail we have tried and can >> not be >> > >> faulted for that.. but I do not think that will happen,, >> > >> Allan >> > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:54 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >>> If you do any radical thinking at all you should at least guess >> > >>> money >> > >>> may be as much of a problem as an asset Allan. The money in our >> > >>> pockets, under your mattress and in current accounts is dwarfed by >> the >> > >>> same currency in the derivatives and other shadow markets. What we >> > >>> should focus on is how we can build through effort and organisation. >> > >> > >>> On Oct 25, 12:39 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >>> > Find out ( Chris ? ) what it takes to register a formal NGO Trust >> > >>> > ( with Tax benefits and Donations tax-exempt ) operating a news - >> > >>> > magazine website ... >> > >> > >>> > WE THE PEOPLE : ALTERNATE NEWS, RECLAIMING EFFORTS & REDEFINED >> > >>> > THOUGHTS FROM AROUND THE WORLD... >> > >> > >>> > We then can pool in people centered news, efforts at reclaiming >> > >>> > our >> > >>> > lives and freedoms, and path breaking thoughts from all over the >> world >> > >>> > in diverse fields such as science, medicine, sociology, >> > >>> > psychology, >> > >>> > economics, management, public service, governance, >> entrepreneurship... >> > >>> > along lines of " Global Voices "... overseen by a crack Editorial >> > >>> > Team. >> > >> > >>> > We may then perhaps know what it would take... what more would >> have to >> > >>> > be scrounged and how... >> > >> > >>> > On Oct 24, 10:35 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >>> > > it is because it is compounded ,, i figured it at >> > >>> > > annual interest payment.. if you take your principle and >> > >>> immediately add >> > >>> > > the interest you have increased your principle by that amount.. >> a >> > >>> hundred >> > >>> > > euro becomes 104 Euro.. >> > >> > >>> > > to demonstrate the effect if you are paying off the mortgage >> > >>> > > on >> > >>> your >> > >>> > > house in say 15 years,, making a monthly payment,, if you >> split >> > >>> the >> > >>> > > payment in half paying the loan 1/2 on the 1st and the other 1/2 >> on >> > >>> the >> > >>> > > 15th.. remember you are paying exactly the same amount each >> month,, >> > >>> > > instead of taking 15 years to pay the loan it will take you >> only 13 >> > >>> 1/2 >> > >>> > > years to pay it back.. >> > >> > >>> > > If your payment was say $1,000. (no Euro sign) you would be >> saving >> > >>> your >> > >>> > > self $18,000. in payments.. not a bad piece of pocket change >> > >>> > > you >> > >>> ask me.. >> > >> > >>> > > Does that help you understand they power of money if used >> > >>> intelligently and >> > >>> > > effectively? >> > >>> > > Allan >> > >> > >>> > > RP could you see a company that simply made house payments?? >> they >> > >>> pay you >> > >>> > > once a month and you pay the Bankster 2X a month?? >> > >> > >>> > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:19 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >>> > > > Again , Allan , I don't see how 100 euros grow so >> astronomically >> > >>> at a >> > >>> > > > simple rate of interest of 4% ? >> > >> > >>> > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Allan H <[email protected] >> > >> > >>> wrote: >> > >>> > > > > Okay I have been doing a lot of thinking ... well I am sure >> > >>> there are >> > >>> > > > > enough good ideas that can radically change the world.. >> Oddly I >> > >>> really >> > >>> > > > do >> > >>> > > > > not think it will take massive amounts,, but it will take >> some >> > >>> funds >> > >>> > > > and I >> > >>> > > > > have a lot of faith in our group to be able to develop >> workable >> > >>> ideas.. >> > >>> > > > > Now to put my money with my mouth is even though I do not >> have >> > >>> massive >> > >>> > > > > amounts of money I can easily contribute 100 Euro to commit >> to >> > >>> a fund to >> > >>> > > > > change the world.. I do not know if others are willing to >> > >>> develop a >> > >>> > > > world >> > >>> > > > > improvement fund. as I know this discussion will go one for >> > >>> years after >> > >>> > > > we >> > >>> > > > > are gone I could for see it still in existence 500 >> > >>> > > > > onward.. >> > >>> > > > > there needs to be unchangeable able rules like >> > >>> > > > > The principle can not be spent.. >> > >>> > > > > No more than 20 % of the income can be spent on fund >> > >>> administration. >> > >>> > > > > 20 % of the income generated must be added to the principle >> > >>> every year, >> > >>> > > > (or >> > >>> > > > > more often) >> > >>> > > > > How the 60 % well .. some types of projects just do not make >> > >>> nor are >> > >>> > > > meant >> > >>> > > > > to make money just for the improvement of society some >> where.. >> > >>> > > > > Now there is even a small amount of money available. >> > >>> > > > > We need to discuss how to set it up maybe I have it all >> > >>> confused,, >> > >>> > > > anyways >> > >>> > > > > I will send the money to where it is decided to set up the >> > >>> funds,, >> > >>> > > > There is >> > >>> > > > > one hundred Euro available sitting in a tin behind me.. If >> > >>> others do >> > >>> > > > > contribute it should be in amounts of their own currency and >> to >> > >>> an amount >> > >>> > > > > that will not cause harm to them or thier families... as >> > >>> > > > > once >> > >>> the money >> > >>> > > > is >> > >>> > > > > gone it is gone and can not be expect to have it returned. >> > >>> > > > > If we set it up and develop it correctly in five hundred >> years >> > >>> that 100 >> > >>> > > > > Euros will have a value if it grows at a simple 4% of: >> > >>> > > > > 32,860,158,157.oo Euro >> > >>> > > > > 32 billion is an amount that can have some on going effects >> to >> > >>> improve >> > >>> > > > > society.. It is called putting your money where your mouth >> is.. >> > >>> The >> > >>> > > > > question is who wants to run it.. I am not able to Vam? >> Molly? >> > >>> Neil? >> > >>> > > > Chris? >> > >>> > > > > Rigsy? hmmm >> > >>> > > > > Allan >> > >> > >>> > > > > Because >> > >> > >>> > > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Vam <[email protected] >> > >> > >>> wrote: >> > >> > >>> > > > >> Ah, Rigs... that isn't as tragic... as the fact that Cheats >> are >> > >>> Elites >> > >>> > > > >> and Elites are Thieves ! >> > >> > >>> > > > >> On Oct 24, 2:23 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >>> > > > >> > Machines/technology are replacing human labor. Children >> might >> > >>> do >> > >>> > > > >> > better being educated via computer and leave >> socialization to >> > >>> play >> > >>> > > > >> > groups and sports. The military can effect as much damage >> via >> > >>> remote >> > >>> > > > >> > control. But- will women return to being stay-at-home >> > >>> moms/homemakers >> > >>> > > > >> > thus freeing up what jobs remain for the men? I doubt it >> - it >> > >>> has >> > >>> > > > >> > become an ego/security matter for Western women. There >> will >> > >>> always be >> > >>> > > > >> > cheats and thieves, Archytas, who cause as much monetary >> > >>> losses as the >> > >>> > > > >> > "elites"- it's all relative, depending on the number of >> zeros. >> > >> > >>> > > > >> > On Oct 24, 1:37 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >>> > > > >> > > There was philosophy once called logical positivism. >> > >>> \\it's people >> > >>> > > > >> > > were well-intentioned, like Russell and Carnap. If you >> > >>> have a few >> > >>> > > > >> > > hours to spare I could explain its basics - in the end >> it >> > >>> got so >> > >>> > > > >> > > concerned with words they were all that was left. >> > >>> Strangely it was >> > >>> > > > >> > > accused of being crude in its use of brute fact. >> > >> > >>> > > > >> > > The problem as I see it is that we want democracy but >> have >> > >>> not >> > >>> > > > found a >> > >>> > > > >> > > way to accept its biggest flaw - that of decisions made >> > >>> through the >> > >>> > > > >> > > sway of ignorance, and further problems with the >> corruption >> > >>> of >> > >>> > > > >> > > representatives. Attempts at a fix of this in >> perfection >> > >>> are doomed >> > >>> > > > >> > > or the equivalent of fiddling while Rome burns. >> > >> > >>> > > > >> > > One might try to produce communication free of ideology >> and >> > >>> this let >> > >>> > > > >> > > Reason alone have power (Habermas) - but as far as I >> > >>> > > > >> > > can >> > >>> see this >> > >>> > > > >> > > never works - and Habermas only suggests his 'ideal >> speech >> > >>> > > > situation' >> > >>> > > > >> > > as an ideal type (following Weber). >> > >> > >>> > > > >> > > The best positive I can reach is that we could change >> our >> > >>> material >> > >>> > > > >> > > conditions to produce less discontent. To get to an >> > >>> understanding >> > >>> > > > of >> > >>> > > > >> > > this we need to agree on some basic facts - and the >> > >>> > > > >> > > move >> > >>> towards >> > >>> > > > these >> > >>> > > > >> > > is critical. People as old as Orn and myself can >> remember >> > >>> when it >> > >>> > > > was >> > >>> > > > >> > > possible for most in the West to get somewhere near >> > >>> > > > >> > > this >> > >>> because >> > >>> > > > there >> > >>> > > > >> > > were plenty of well paid jobs about. Oversimplifying a >> lot >> > >>> this is >> > >>> > > > >> > > not now the case and we need to establish what the new >> > >>> conditions >> > >>> > > > are. >> > >> > >>> > > > >> > > Productivity is vastly enhanced from the times in which >> our >> > >>> work >> > >>> > > > >> > > ethics arose. My guess is we could get by quite nicely >> on >> > >>> a 30hr >> > >>> > > > >> > > working week and a 40 week year with >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more ยป > > > > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >
