an after thought it is my opinion that anything beyond buying a cup of coffee or tea for a political representative consituts bribery on any political level.. and or governmental official.. Allan
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > You are right and quite a few of them become millionaires while in > office.. that tells you even more who they represent,, > Allan > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Members of Congress who are millionaires ? Nearly 50 percent. >> >> Millionaires in the country ? About 1 percent of the population. >> >> Doesn't seem the US Congress is representative of the population at >> all ! >> >> On Oct 26, 4:45 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Oh yeah Richard,, unfortunately politics is heavily influnced >> > by corporate bribery and wealthy individuals who leave me wondering if >> they >> > care about their money or the people they are supposed to care for and >> look >> > after there interest. >> > Politicians seem to have a creed that was pointed out earlier by a >> member >> > of this group. Politicians seem to say one thing then do something >> entirely >> > different. >> > Allan >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:25 PM, richard blay <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > Perfectly, Allan, on the part of the politicians. until part of the >> > > solution is done, which is your idea on board, the situation will ever >> > > remain as it is...even worse. >> > >> > > On 10/26/11, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > Politicians have truths that apply to everyone else except them. >> and they >> > > > never feel the sting of the whip. >> > > > I know over here the politicians doubled their salaries just before >> > > > the financial crash, not surprising though the pay raise was never >> > > removed >> > > > the extra income, so they live at twice the wage while no pay >> raises >> > > not >> > > > even cost of living for public employees like fire department , >> Police >> > > > people or others.. >> > >> > > > I am sure that if you look the same thing has happened in your >> country no >> > > > matter which one it is.. Politicians seem to be acting on their >> own >> > > > behalf and those of their rich friends.. >> > >> > > > Maybe all politicians should be put on minimum wage with no >> assistance >> > > > from friend or family.. with only services of public >> > > > assistance available to them and their family. I do know something >> needs >> > > > to be done to bring this political privilege under control.. maybe >> a >> > > > better way to put it is get control of the out right bribery. >> > > > Allan >> > >> > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:09 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > >> I tend to like the idea too Allan - one way to the positive is to >> do. >> > > >> In the more intellectual sense, getting to the positive (which has >> > > >> many definitions) usually means stripping away loads of dross. In >> the >> > > >> process one usually finds the dross is cherished and part of the >> > > >> reason nothing can ever get done! >> > >> > > >> One aspect of all the nonsense of current economic utterings that >> > > >> makes me laugh at the moment (or is it cry?) is the idea of raising >> > > >> pension age in order to save money - this is full of assumptions >> that >> > > >> there re jobs to do, that clinging to one doesn't prevent someone >> else >> > > >> doing it and so on. >> > >> > > >> On Oct 25, 8:19 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > Lol do I start with you Gabby? I would not want to push people. >> If >> > > they >> > > >> > wanted to contribute it would be great. A larger starting point, >> but >> > > >> > nothing beyond their means though. >> > >> > > >> > I can not help but wonder how it will evolve, I am sure it will >> be >> > > >> > interesting, >> > > >> > Allan >> > > >> > On Oct 25, 2011 9:03 AM, "gabbydott" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > I quite like your idea, Allan. You've got my vote to keep on >> trying >> > > to >> > > >> > > persuade the others to see if they have some 100 Euros to >> spare. >> > >> > > >> > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Allan H <[email protected] >> > >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> I know Neil it is but a pittance that is what so funny >> about it.. >> > > >> > >> I >> > > >> > >> think the problem lies in the short term,, Maybe that is >> what it >> > > >> should >> > > >> > >> be called is the pittance fund.. >> > > >> > >> Money is a problem because it is guided by people who's >> interests >> > > is >> > > >> self >> > > >> > >> centered. creating the pittance fund,, then we have the time >> and >> > > >> > >> possibility to get it to grow.. and provide the long term >> guidance >> > > >> to make >> > > >> > >> it successful over 500 plus years where it would reach the >> size.. >> > > at >> > > >> witch >> > > >> > >> time the pittance fund would be as powerful or more powerful >> than >> > > the >> > > >> other >> > > >> > >> markets.. it takes for sight.. >> > > >> > >> What I am saying by putting up my 100 Euro is that our >> combined >> > > >> > >> wisdom >> > > >> > >> and knowledge exceeds that of the normal public. it would be >> > > chance >> > > >> to put >> > > >> > >> our theories into practice.. Even if we fail we have tried >> and can >> > > >> not be >> > > >> > >> faulted for that.. but I do not think that will happen,, >> > > >> > >> Allan >> > >> > > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:54 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >>> If you do any radical thinking at all you should at least >> guess >> > > >> > >>> money >> > > >> > >>> may be as much of a problem as an asset Allan. The money in >> our >> > > >> > >>> pockets, under your mattress and in current accounts is >> dwarfed by >> > > >> the >> > > >> > >>> same currency in the derivatives and other shadow markets. >> What >> > > we >> > > >> > >>> should focus on is how we can build through effort and >> > > organisation. >> > >> > > >> > >>> On Oct 25, 12:39 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > >>> > Find out ( Chris ? ) what it takes to register a formal NGO >> > > Trust >> > > >> > >>> > ( with Tax benefits and Donations tax-exempt ) operating a >> news >> > > - >> > > >> > >>> > magazine website ... >> > >> > > >> > >>> > WE THE PEOPLE : ALTERNATE NEWS, RECLAIMING EFFORTS & >> REDEFINED >> > > >> > >>> > THOUGHTS FROM AROUND THE WORLD... >> > >> > > >> > >>> > We then can pool in people centered news, efforts at >> reclaiming >> > > >> > >>> > our >> > > >> > >>> > lives and freedoms, and path breaking thoughts from all >> over the >> > > >> world >> > > >> > >>> > in diverse fields such as science, medicine, sociology, >> > > >> > >>> > psychology, >> > > >> > >>> > economics, management, public service, governance, >> > > >> entrepreneurship... >> > > >> > >>> > along lines of " Global Voices "... overseen by a crack >> > > Editorial >> > > >> > >>> > Team. >> > >> > > >> > >>> > We may then perhaps know what it would take... what more >> would >> > > >> have to >> > > >> > >>> > be scrounged and how... >> > >> > > >> > >>> > On Oct 24, 10:35 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >>> > > it is because it is compounded ,, i figured it at >> > > >> > >>> > > annual interest payment.. if you take your principle >> and >> > > >> > >>> immediately add >> > > >> > >>> > > the interest you have increased your principle by that >> > > amount.. >> > > >> a >> > > >> > >>> hundred >> > > >> > >>> > > euro becomes 104 Euro.. >> > >> > > >> > >>> > > to demonstrate the effect if you are paying off the >> mortgage >> > > >> > >>> > > on >> > > >> > >>> your >> > > >> > >>> > > house in say 15 years,, making a monthly payment,, if >> you >> > > >> split >> > > >> > >>> the >> > > >> > >>> > > payment in half paying the loan 1/2 on the 1st and the >> other >> > > 1/2 >> > > >> on >> > > >> > >>> the >> > > >> > >>> > > 15th.. remember you are paying exactly the same amount >> each >> > > >> month,, >> > > >> > >>> > > instead of taking 15 years to pay the loan it will take >> you >> > > >> only 13 >> > > >> > >>> 1/2 >> > > >> > >>> > > years to pay it back.. >> > >> > > >> > >>> > > If your payment was say $1,000. (no Euro sign) you would >> be >> > > >> saving >> > > >> > >>> your >> > > >> > >>> > > self $18,000. in payments.. not a bad piece of pocket >> change >> > > >> > >>> > > you >> > > >> > >>> ask me.. >> > >> > > >> > >>> > > Does that help you understand they power of money if used >> > > >> > >>> intelligently and >> > > >> > >>> > > effectively? >> > > >> > >>> > > Allan >> > >> > > >> > >>> > > RP could you see a company that simply made house >> payments?? >> > > >> they >> > > >> > >>> pay you >> > > >> > >>> > > once a month and you pay the Bankster 2X a month?? >> > >> > > >> > >>> > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:19 PM, RP Singh < >> [email protected]> >> > > >> wrote: >> > > >> > >>> > > > Again , Allan , I don't see how 100 euros grow so >> > > >> astronomically >> > > >> > >>> at a >> > > >> > >>> > > > simple rate of interest of 4% ? >> > >> > > >> > >>> > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Allan H < >> > > [email protected] >> > >> > > >> > >>> wrote: >> > > >> > >>> > > > > Okay I have been doing a lot of thinking ... well I >> am >> > > sure >> > > >> > >>> there are >> > > >> > >>> > > > > enough good ideas that can radically change the >> world.. >> > > >> Oddly I >> > > >> > >>> really >> > > >> > >>> > > > do >> > > >> > >>> > > > > not think it will take massive amounts,, but it >> will take >> > > >> some >> > > >> > >>> funds >> > > >> > >>> > > > and I >> > > >> > >>> > > > > have a lot of faith in our group to be able to >> develop >> > > >> workable >> > > >> > >>> ideas.. >> > > >> > >>> > > > > Now to put my money with my mouth is even though I >> do not >> > > >> have >> > > >> > >>> massive >> > > >> > >>> > > > > amounts of money I can easily contribute 100 Euro to >> > > commit >> > > >> to >> > > >> > >>> a fund to >> > > >> > >>> > > > > change the world.. I do not know if others are >> willing to >> > > >> > >>> develop a >> > > >> > >>> > > > world >> > > >> > >>> > > > > improvement fund. as I know this discussion will go >> one >> > > for >> > > >> > >>> years after >> > > >> > >>> > > > we >> > > >> > >>> > > > > are gone I could for see it still in existence 500 >> > > >> > >>> > > > > onward.. >> > > >> > >>> > > > > there needs to be unchangeable able rules like >> > > >> > >>> > > > > The principle can not be spent.. >> > > >> > >>> > > > > No more than 20 % of the income can be spent on fund >> > > >> > >>> administration. >> > > >> > >>> > > > > 20 % of the income generated must be added to the >> > > principle >> > > >> > >>> every year, >> > > >> > >>> > > > (or >> > > >> > >>> > > > > more often) >> > > >> > >>> > > > > How the 60 % well .. some types of projects just do >> not >> > > make >> > > >> > >>> nor are >> > > >> > >>> > > > meant >> > > >> > >>> > > > > to make money just for the improvement of society >> some >> > > >> where.. >> > > >> > >>> > > > > Now there is even a small amount of money available. >> > > >> > >>> > > > > We need to discuss how to set it up maybe I have it >> all >> > > >> > >>> confused,, >> > > >> > >>> > > > anyways >> > > >> > >>> > > > > I will send the money to where it is decided to set >> up the >> > > >> > >>> funds,, >> > > >> > >>> > > > There is >> > > >> > >>> > > > > one hundred Euro available sitting in a tin behind >> me.. >> > > If >> > > >> > >>> others do >> > > >> > >>> > > > > contribute it should be in amounts of their own >> currency >> > > and >> > > >> to >> > > >> > >>> an amount >> > > >> > >>> > > > > that will not cause harm to them or thier >> families... as >> > > >> > >>> > > > > once >> > > >> > >>> the money >> > > >> > >>> > > > is >> > > >> > >>> > > > > gone >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more ยป > > > > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
